To think the NHS have made me infertile and to attempt to sue them?

[outpatient]

I had a miscarriage ten weeks no bleeding heartbeat stopped I then had a d and c surgery to remove the foetus and since then my problems started,

All I've had is continual early miscarriages - which I am reading is common issue after d and c surgery due to womb scarring.

I have even had corrective surgery I paid 5k for and the early losses are continuing in the same way, I've had scans that show I had adhesions which happen after d and c, things feel different since the d and c

I'm very angry, what do I do about this I'm almost certain my issues have been caused by the d and c surgery

@kirinm ok, so maybe D&C isn't the only method, but it must have been medically indicated in the op's case as no one (with the exception of mad plastic surgeons or twisted doctors which are very, very rare) carries out surgery for fun. All surgery carries a risk and they are very clearly spelt out in your consent form and unless you're bleeding to death in an emergency situation, that consent form is signed before any procedure. If you don't read it correctly, or if you don't understand it and didn't ask questions before signing, that's no reason to sue and you will lose

Apparently she was given a choice and chose d+c.

Yes, I had a MMC and used medication to induce 'birth' of the baby (cervix dialates as in labor but as baby is so small theres no pushing, gravity did all the work).

It was actually physically very easy and no more than standard period pains, Im always suprised the amount of woman that dont seem to know that its an option.

A D&C could still possibly be nessacery if not everything comes out, (if the placenta breaks off and remains etc...) but usually isn't needed.

I was given a choice. Unsure if that was clear from my post.

Why would old people live in poverty? They’re the wealthiest demographic in the country.

I work with loss groups, a lot of women CHOOSE because they claim they either didn't understand the option (quite common, people talk about D&C more than 'medical management' so it what people are familure with and as I said it common to be zoned out and not hear people explaining things) or in some cases personal choice that they did not want to birth and 'see' the baby.

Its rarely a nessecity only in retention or failure of other options cases is it 'needed'.

I'm so sorry for your losees, OP.

You should probably ask for a referral for further investigation as to what is causing the multiple miscarriages. There are lots of causes and unfortunately thyroid issues is one of the common ones.

www.tommys.org/baby-loss-support/miscarriage-information-and-support/recurrent-miscarriage

Plenty of people chose a surgical management in the event of a miscarriage. When you consider the natural alternative, it’s not hard to see why. It’s generally not indicated until a certain amount of time has passed (often weeks and weeks) with no bleeding, and/or there are signs of infection. It’s sadly, a very routine procedure.

I suspect understandably, the OP is fed up and looking to focus her anger and sadness on something an someone, and that procedure and the NHS as a whole it seems, is it. Realistically, it’s a combination of issues, of which the OP has a few.

I’ve never had anything but incredible care by the staff within the NHS. As have my family. It’s not infallible, humans and the complicated structure that it is, can’t be. It is also too heavy with management and the funding is incorrect. To me it seems insane that a nurse earns £20k, while a non-clinical executive for the CCG takes home £150k. But the alternative, if not having care free at the point of need, is unthinkable.

I think your argument is fundamental flawed, as well. All ‘government’ departments are funded from the same source: taxation. So any increased spending by one department must ultimately be compensated by decreased spending by another.

of course, there is always the magic money tree so beloved by socialists, and adopted by the current Government to try to mitigate the effects of locking up economic activity during Covid: also known as borrowing. We’re seeing the disadvantages of this approach now.

I wish people appreciated that the NHS is insured!!

I understand the sadness relating to this for you. As others have said I think suing isn’t appropriate.
who did your laparoscopy and hysterscopy? Was it the private doctor? Did they not give you advice about what the next steps should be. Did they clear out the scar tissue? I’ve a lot of IVF experience but not multiple miscarriages and unfortunately I found that you really have to been the driver of all this and very importantly be your own advocate.

Should also say I’ve had a D&C on the nhs which also went wrong. In a different way to you, it didn’t cause long lasting damage but did put my life in danger for a short period. But that was risk of the surgery never thought about suing anyone.

I'm so sorry for your losses OP, and for the way you are being treated by the NHS. I have had similar experiences of waiting and chasing for results.

You are absolutely within your rights to complain loudly and ask for answers.

@LadyMarmaladeAtkins She miscarried at 10 weeks though, so very difficult for medical staff to have done any monitoring when she didn't declare it to anyone and midwives booking appointment can be anywhere from 8-10 weeks. She also didn't tell the midwife at booking. I'm not suggesting any of this is OPs fault but I don't think the NHS has necessarily failed to monitor this condition that had resolved itself pre pregnancy and then wasn't highlighted to any staff. The midwives have to fill out a past medical history section as part of the booking process, they rely on women to declare such information and if it wasn't declared then they aren't to know.
I do however think a more direct question of do you have any thyroid issues should be asked, and advice given when thyroid issue diagnosed regarding pregnancy as you said. But we don't know for sure that it wasn't!

@outpatient it is not possible for a midwife to list every single condition that may or may not be affected by pregnancy - booking appointments would be days long. They do, however, ask for your past medical history, at which point it is your responsibility to disclose any conditions you have, and they can then decide if these are relevant or not.

You didn't disclose an honest medical history. Why didn't you mention it?

I’m so sorry OP ❤️

When I had a missed miscarriage they gave me leaflets and told me I could choose natural, medical or surgery. On the leaflet there was a note that surgery can in some cases cause damage to the womb. I am going to be very honest here and say I do not think you could sue them - you most likely verbally or signed something to consent. D&C procedures have a risk of damage to womb and I do not think you’ll get anywhere.

I chose medical route and it failed, I was in the 1% of woman that haemorrhaged and I had issues for about 3 months after my miscarriage treatment. I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, because I agreed this treatment.

I really hope that you find out the cause of the early miscarriages, and one day have your beautiful baby

Just to add, I had surgical management of my pregnancy loss last November. This is the consent form. No where does it state long term damage by scarring or adhesions. I went through the complaints procedure and successfully got them to amend the consent form to include scarring and adhesions.

You can't make informed decisions if you don't have all the facts.

I have a huge amount of sympathy with this.

I also had a thyroid condition misdiagnosed and then miscarried. This was despite a family history and me asking for tests.

It's also possible why dc has additional needs. I struggle with guilt as to whether it could have been prevented.

The NHS should do thyroid bloods as a matter of routine in pregnancy and they dont.

I'd take it further if you can

OP are you denying that your endometriosis (that you left out of this thread but posters remember you mentioning on another thread) is much more likely to be the cause of your uterine scarring? why?

I have a thyroid condition (graves) when it briefly stabilised they assumed that was it and did not give me any routine testing to make sure it was OK just reminded me of symptoms and told me to be vigilant for a rare relapse its not routinely tested for

if I was planning a pregnancy they advise I have bloods first to check my levels and switch to PTU but after that it's monitoring really

I have thyroid issues, and they monitored me closely however that referral was made at my booking in appointment so didn't see the consultant until 14 weeks, that's just standard.

of course, there is always the magic money tree so beloved by socialists, and adopted by the current Government to try to mitigate the effects of locking up economic activity during Covid: also known as borrowing. We’re seeing the disadvantages of this approach now.

The consensus will never be that lockdown was a bad idea. Almost every country did in some form and in the UK it was a massively popular policy for the 1-2 years it was enacted. The fact that austerity 2.0 hasn't been greeted with rioting in the streets suggests people accept lockdown had consequences and are willing to accept it (to a point).

Droves of industries are striking and austere 2.0 hasn't been announced yet. I highly doubt anyone appreciates there has to be a second round of austerity when we didn't need the first one and it will contribute to the destruction or further erosion of our public services. Where is the NHS meant to find savings? Or schools?

To be clear, I think austerity 2.0 will be worse than useless. But that doesn't mean A) people won't broadly put up with it anyway and B) will suddenly think lockdown was wrong.

The tories will lose the next election but they were going to anway.