To think the NHS have made me infertile and to attempt to sue them?

[outpatient]

I had a miscarriage ten weeks no bleeding heartbeat stopped I then had a d and c surgery to remove the foetus and since then my problems started,

All I've had is continual early miscarriages - which I am reading is common issue after d and c surgery due to womb scarring.

I have even had corrective surgery I paid 5k for and the early losses are continuing in the same way, I've had scans that show I had adhesions which happen after d and c, things feel different since the d and c

I'm very angry, what do I do about this I'm almost certain my issues have been caused by the d and c surgery

@BirdyWoof you were bullied by a HCP for 5 days?! Fucking hell

What was the 'corrective surgery'? And if that was after the D and C how do you know that wasn't responsible?

You should qualify for recurrent miscarriage clinic. Also take a look at professor quenby or a consultant specifically specialising in recurrent miscarriage and the up to date research. Take a look at the fertility detective on instagram or Angela heap. They specialise in recurrent miscarriage and are up to date on research that might help. I would also look at some counselling to process what you have been through and what you are going through to try and help work through the trauma.

good luck x

then government want to spend on triple lock peoples pension who don't even need it when the health system is falling to shit

I don't think it is fair of you to suggest that pensioners do not need what they are entitled to. What makes you say " they don't even need it" ?

What did you prefer them to do rather than the D and C?

@BirdyWoof regarding your Dc tooth extraction, the exact same happened to my DC, when it abscessed he was given a set of anti biotics and then the tooth was taken out in a dentists chair. They gave him a sedative which made him drowsy and it came out really quickly (front tooth). The whole process took less than half and hour. This was so much better than having a general and he couldn’t remember any if it even the next day. We live overseas so I am not sure if you could get a dentist to do this procedure in the UK or not.

OP, I can’t help with the legal case against the NHS, however I suggest that you start joining some online fertility forums (fertility friends was really good 10 years ago) and find a fertility specialist who specialises in miscarriages either in the Uk or Europe. Good luck.

, OP. You have all my sympathy for the miscarriages and other pain, I went through some of that too.
As a practical matter, though, the D & C may have been necessary. An incomplete miscarriage will cause far worse trouble in the womb than a D & C, I think. I do know I had them after some of my miscarriages and some I didn't need them; most clinics don't do them unless necessary I suspect.

And yes, you need a referral to a specialist in recurrent miscarriage. It's all a nightmare, as I said: you have my heartfelt sympathy. It won't perhaps console you but might reassure if I say that after a stillbirth and seven miscarriages I did get two children (with medical help).

You are in pain - both physical and mental - and want to blame someone. But sadly, it sounds as though it’s not surgery etc - it’s the various conditions of your body. Hyperthyroidism and endometriosis together are pretty high obstacles. This isn’t the fault of the NHS.

BirdyWoof The NHS left me in agony for 7 years as they wouldn’t pay £300 for an MRI. “The NHS isn’t made of money” yet then proceeded to spend approximately £250,000 over 7 years leaving me unable to work, unable to do much more than a shuffle for walking as lifting my leg meant screaming in agony on top of the constant pain that left me unable to sleep.
I probably cost the government and by default the NHS a further £250,000 because I was unable to work.
They had decided after some “guesswork” (consultants descriptions) that I needed a new hip.

That is where the money is going

Money saving hacks that save pennies and cost thousands.

Private osteopath diagnosed me correctly by listening to me and looking at me. I had a slipped disc

Dh’s cancer treatment should have been a very minor operation with 1 nights stay at the most.But doctors refused to listen and it took 6 months for Dh to get to the stage of having to be helped into A&E where he was given a terminal diagnosis. 2 days earlier the dr had said he was stressed and constipated and given him a prescription for laxatives.
When you have to pay for your own operations, cancer treatment hospital stays etc because the NHS refuse to. You don’t really look at the NHS in the same way again

I would strongly recommend that you see a specialist in miscarriages not just fertility. I had private testing through iVf clinc which said all was fine. Went to see Dr Shehata at the CRP clinic in Epsom who ran extensive testing who discovered my problem (immune) and now have a baby boy, best money I ever spent.

I think a private appointment might be best for you here.

After years of infertility, I finally conceived my DD1 - am pretty sure the hysteroscopy helped big time after more than 3 years trying ! and I conceived my DD2 in the 2nd month of trying.

DS was more difficult again... I had one miscarriage at 6 weeks, just started bleeding, and another at 11 weeks (missed miscarriage). I still went on to have my DS when I was 40.

The D&C is more likely to increase your fertility. That's what happened with my DS. I waited one month and conceived him the next and I was 39 at the time - plus I was menopausal in my early 40s!

I don't think your issue is the D&C. My obs offered to do one for me separately from my miscarriages, just to basically 'clear everything out'. I was fortunate not to need it then as I got pregnant straight away.

I think you should stop looking for someone to blame, and focus on what you can do to get pregnant.

PS I had a hysteroscopy right before conceiving DD1, and a D&C right before conceiving my DS.

This is good at explaining how you must prove that the injury was caused, on balance of probabilities, by substandard care. www.avma.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Legal-action-England.pdf

Ended up in A&E looking like an acid attack victim with my skin falling off my face as I was allergic to a face cream
Only got an allergy test through going to A&E
Wouldn't you just stop using the face cream? 🤷‍♀️

I’m not clear whether your thyroid had actually been been diagnosed at all when you had the first miscarriage? If not, it would be a bit difficult for them to advise on it regarding miscarriage. And you can’t self-diagnose a syndrome snd then sue based on that.

Your frustration is clear. If you can afford to find a better fertility doctor, do.

Wouldn't suing the NHS mean even less money for those having fertility issues and less provision for IVF?

Also as someone who has never had a natural pregnancy I wouldn't say you are infertile as you are getting pregnant.

😂
Not while A+E is there to (ab) use, surely!

@outpatient it sounds as though you’ve got something called Ashermans Syndrome.

I had this from multiple d and c and experienced the awful pain, lack of periods but painful when I should have my period etc.

There is a great group on Facebook called ‘Ashermans syndrome awareness’ I suggest you join that group for some advice.

I went to see an Ashermans specialist in bristol, he was fantastic - I’ve since had a baby and pregnant again with my second baby.

As for trying to get the NHS to admit any responsibility I don’t think that’ll work, many have tried and not been successful, scarring is listed as a risk when you sign the consent form for a d&c - it actually never used to be and when I had my d&c it was not listed as a risk, I think much more is becoming known about Ashermans now.

Some questions: had you already been diagnosed with thyroid issues prior to the first miscarriage, and did you disclose it at the time?

in other threads you mention endometriosis- was this diagnosed prior?

What was your corrective surgery and when did you have this?

Also recommend acupuncture whilst waiting for the referral to see a specialist - i had scarring so bad that when they first operated (laparoscopy) and tried to use dye in my womb to see the extent of the scarring they couldn’t even get the dye in - whilst I waited a while for my surgery in Bristol I had acupuncture - didn’t really think it would help but the specialist was amazed at the difference when they came to operate tnere was definitely less scarring than had been shown on my scans.

I had weekly acupuncture for a few months, costly but I would say it was worth the money.

The blood tests you have had, have they ruled out auto immune clotting disorders like Factor v Leiden?

I am so very sorry for your losses but you don't know for definite that the nhs has caused it? If I were you go get an opinion from a specialist to see what you can do or what is causing it.

You had a miscarriage in the first place and unfortunately have had some since. Sometimes the body rejects the baby as it thinks it shouldn't be there, It can be resus negative positive have you had tests for this? If I were you rather than sue an already pressured place, try to find out the full reason first.

Again I am truly sorry for your losses. It must be horrendous to go through.

Op, there is so much assumption and speculation on your thread, and apparently on another thread you also say you have endo. I wonder if you have a good relationship with your GP, or perhaps with the fertility specialist you are paying so much to, and could print out and talk through some of your medical history. What was the hyperthyroidism for example? You feel it was not diagnosed or treated yet also say it was on your notes so they should have known. Maybe it was missed or maybe it was being monitored? It seems the d+c was your choice? Are your symptoms actually endo?

Wishing you well, hopefully the fertility specialist can answer these questions for you.

Sorry for your losses, but I think this would be near impossible to prove from a legal standpoint.