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To think I and other people with commitments should get a medal

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GrrrrrreeeNotgreatactually · 14/11/2022 08:28

Kids have an inset day and their dad is home and so for the first time (possibly ever) I am getting ready for work without having to get them ready for school, nursery, holiday club.
I'm actually bored. It's not time to leave yet. I'm dressed. I've even done a bit around the house. It makes me think of how easy this is, even for a serial procrastinator like me. So know I'm wondering about all my child free colleagues who roll their eyes when I come in frazzled, frizzy, five minutes late (I also stay late) and sometimes with someone else's toothpaste on me. Do they have any idea how easy it is to get yourself out of the house for work compared to getting other little two people out the door (who frankly aren't as motivated)? Do they not realise that those of us with kids/ caring responsibilities are not just wilfully blasé but that it's actually really fucking difficult to get somewhere (almost) on time without looking like you've been through tough mudder with an added sticky fingers obstacle?
I could do this every day.

OP posts:
Dixiechickonhols · 14/11/2022 11:46

If you both work ft I don’t understand why it’s always you doing the school run/holiday clubs.
If for some reason you’ve done it until now without thinking now is a good chance to reassess, opening can be how much more you got done at work.

Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 11:47

@KimberleyClark - saying someone doesn’t have experience of something (through choice or not) is not “having a go”. I wouldn’t pretend to understand what it’s like to care for an elderly parent or relative, I would accept I had no idea what it’s like, because I don’t.

EyjafjallajöKullStrikesAgain · 14/11/2022 11:48

This thread is the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever read on this site.

Tag40 · 14/11/2022 11:50

Why do people insist on reading insult where there is none? FFS, this is Mumsnet, a forum where a working mum should be ok to post lighthearted thread about getting to work on time! It’s not a personal dig at anyone else for crying out loud. Get over yourselves. And if you like to imagine slights where there are none, perhaps you need to have a bit more self-awareness & question why that is. Take yourself elsewhere. Why click on the thread in the first place?

Lots of drama llamas out there OP - some people really don’t have a sense of humour & love to make everything they encounter about them

KimberleyClark · 14/11/2022 11:51

Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 11:47

@KimberleyClark - saying someone doesn’t have experience of something (through choice or not) is not “having a go”. I wouldn’t pretend to understand what it’s like to care for an elderly parent or relative, I would accept I had no idea what it’s like, because I don’t.

She is having a go. She could have made her point without mentioning her childfree colleagues at all.

Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 11:53

@KimberleyClark - if she had said my colleagues roll their eyes posters would have said well maybe they have children too and think it’s ridiculous you can’t get to work on time.

KimberleyClark · 14/11/2022 11:56

She didn’t need to mention colleagues, childless or otherwise, just talked about how hard it is to get to work on time when you have children to get ready for school.

theemmadilemma · 14/11/2022 12:01

I'd like a medal because this role I chose to take on that was very clearly advertised as 'exhuasting, time consuming, life will never be your own again' turned out to be just that!!

Shocking!!

TallAndSpiky · 14/11/2022 12:02

Of course. But why the childless would attack those with children on predominantly a parenting site is a bit odd isn't it.

If you read all the posts you would have seen mothers were also having a go at the OP, not just ‘the childless’. Mums thought the op’s post was silly as well.

OnlyFannys · 14/11/2022 12:06

I dont really find it much trouble in the mornings now DS is 6, we just get ourselves organised to make mornings easier. I get his uniform ready the night before and leave it out for him. I pour his cereal into the bowl ready and put some milk in a little jug for him before I go to bed, more often than not he is awake before me so he goes downstairs to make up his breakfast to eat while he watches TV and then gets himself dressed. I'm a single parent so I did used to find it quite stressful when he was younger but even then I'd find workarounds like getting him dressed for nursery before he went to bed. The only real extra time I need now is to walk him to school and back but thankfully we only live 10 mins away

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 14/11/2022 12:12

People will jump down your throat for this but there's something in it.

I think it depends on what you're like, and there will always be the person who is all "I have three sets of twins and run a merchant bank and am a sing parent, you just need to get up earlier" etc - but for most of us average mortals, your ability to be 'good' at work definitely takes a nosedive post kids I'd say.

I remember when I'd just stay late when I was busy. When I'd just sit and work until I was caught up and then dawdle home when I felt like it, sometimes stayed until 8 pm then grabbed a late dinner with DP. Or I could pull an all nighter if I'd let a deadline slide. When I went through a spell of getting up at 5 so I could go and swim before crossing London to my then job, a 1.5 hour commute each way all told. My life was basically only ever as difficult as I chose to make it, because I had SO MUCH TIME and SO MUCH FREEDOM and I had no idea.

To be even adequate at work now I have to be 100% more organised. I can't get up and go out earlier because the kids don't go to nursery/school before 8.30. I can't just stay late if they need me, the need picking up from nursery/after school club. I can't just get on with work once I get home, there's dinner, bathtime, bedtime, a few maintenance housework jobs and before you know it it's 8 o'clock. Pull an all-nighter? Well it can be done but it's quite hard to get your eye in when you get summoned to breastfeed the little one at midnight, 2 am and 4 am. Or randomly refuses to settle at all until after 10.

So for the hours I'm at work, to be considered really good at my job, I have to be a super-organised, hyper-efficient ninja. On 5 hours broken sleep and almost zero time for self care.

i wouldn't have it any other way. Like people say, I chose this life and it is brilliant. My days are filled with work and with the needs of small people - but also their hilariousness, their development, their little triumphs, their love, their lives. I am happy to be considered a bit shit at work for a few years more. I used to worry a lot. Now i just think if I'm not in disciplinary, if my colleagues seem to like me well enough, and I don't fuck anything up too much, good enough is good enough for me. I'd rather be good enough at work and good enough at home than have either end of the scale slide down too far.

BUT I had absolutely no understanding of this before I had kids, and I know my childless colleagues (probably) have no idea. I remember managing mothers before I had kids, and while I was always accommodating and flexible I do remember thinking surely kids couldn't be ill THAT often, and surely you have SOMEONE else who could watch them etc - fucking idiot. No idea. I can only apologise to my former reports for my uncharitable, utterly clueless thoughts.

Everyone has their challenges of course, it's not just kids. And some people have other challenges AND kids. I'm lucky to be in a team now where we're all very upfront about our respective challenges (kids for some of us, elderly carer for one of us, chronic fatigue and IBS for another of us) and support and accommodate each other. It's the way humans should be with each other, rather than being all sniffy and "you've made your bed now lie in it!" After all it will come to all of us at some point to be overextended - be it kids, caring, illness, mental health struggles, bereavement, a suddenly unmanageable workload - so while we're comparatively freed up, we should pay it forward, on the basis that it won't be long until we too will need some grace extended to us!

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 14/11/2022 12:16

Georgeskitchen · 14/11/2022 09:21

Yanbu
I spent years dragging 4 kids out of bed for school. Lost PE kits, missing ties and blazers, cookery ingredients I wasn't aware of till 10pm last night, rushing off to work, get home clean the kitchen statt making the tea......
Now kids all grown up, work 2 half days a week and guess what ? I'm bored shitless 😍🤣😍🤣

Oooooh I would love to be bored shitless 😂One day!

I occasionally fantasise about teen years and having to drag them out of bed at noon on a Saturday. The idea of sleep... until you actually wake up... of your own volition.... aaaaaah.

LoobyDop · 14/11/2022 12:29

Maybe the board should be split in two.

Mumsnet, for discussion of parenting and the stresses and issues that go along with it. For mothers only, childfree women not welcome.

Womensnet, for discussion of everything else, all women welcome and discussion of parenting and having or not having children is banned.

I’d be totally fine with that, anyone else?

MuraRocker · 14/11/2022 12:34

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WifeMotherWorker · 14/11/2022 12:43

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 14/11/2022 12:12

People will jump down your throat for this but there's something in it.

I think it depends on what you're like, and there will always be the person who is all "I have three sets of twins and run a merchant bank and am a sing parent, you just need to get up earlier" etc - but for most of us average mortals, your ability to be 'good' at work definitely takes a nosedive post kids I'd say.

I remember when I'd just stay late when I was busy. When I'd just sit and work until I was caught up and then dawdle home when I felt like it, sometimes stayed until 8 pm then grabbed a late dinner with DP. Or I could pull an all nighter if I'd let a deadline slide. When I went through a spell of getting up at 5 so I could go and swim before crossing London to my then job, a 1.5 hour commute each way all told. My life was basically only ever as difficult as I chose to make it, because I had SO MUCH TIME and SO MUCH FREEDOM and I had no idea.

To be even adequate at work now I have to be 100% more organised. I can't get up and go out earlier because the kids don't go to nursery/school before 8.30. I can't just stay late if they need me, the need picking up from nursery/after school club. I can't just get on with work once I get home, there's dinner, bathtime, bedtime, a few maintenance housework jobs and before you know it it's 8 o'clock. Pull an all-nighter? Well it can be done but it's quite hard to get your eye in when you get summoned to breastfeed the little one at midnight, 2 am and 4 am. Or randomly refuses to settle at all until after 10.

So for the hours I'm at work, to be considered really good at my job, I have to be a super-organised, hyper-efficient ninja. On 5 hours broken sleep and almost zero time for self care.

i wouldn't have it any other way. Like people say, I chose this life and it is brilliant. My days are filled with work and with the needs of small people - but also their hilariousness, their development, their little triumphs, their love, their lives. I am happy to be considered a bit shit at work for a few years more. I used to worry a lot. Now i just think if I'm not in disciplinary, if my colleagues seem to like me well enough, and I don't fuck anything up too much, good enough is good enough for me. I'd rather be good enough at work and good enough at home than have either end of the scale slide down too far.

BUT I had absolutely no understanding of this before I had kids, and I know my childless colleagues (probably) have no idea. I remember managing mothers before I had kids, and while I was always accommodating and flexible I do remember thinking surely kids couldn't be ill THAT often, and surely you have SOMEONE else who could watch them etc - fucking idiot. No idea. I can only apologise to my former reports for my uncharitable, utterly clueless thoughts.

Everyone has their challenges of course, it's not just kids. And some people have other challenges AND kids. I'm lucky to be in a team now where we're all very upfront about our respective challenges (kids for some of us, elderly carer for one of us, chronic fatigue and IBS for another of us) and support and accommodate each other. It's the way humans should be with each other, rather than being all sniffy and "you've made your bed now lie in it!" After all it will come to all of us at some point to be overextended - be it kids, caring, illness, mental health struggles, bereavement, a suddenly unmanageable workload - so while we're comparatively freed up, we should pay it forward, on the basis that it won't be long until we too will need some grace extended to us!

I love this post 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Stunningscreamer · 14/11/2022 12:45

KimberleyClark · 14/11/2022 10:50

Oh come on! If it was a thread about infertility or being childfree by choice or circumstances, I'd defend your right to talk about it or complain about parents who don't realise how difficult it is. But parents should equally be able to talk about struggling sometimes on a primarily parenting website.

of course parents should be able to talk about that. But isn’t it possible to do that wirhout having a go at childless/childfree people?

But she's not having a go at all childfree people. Just those that roll their eyes at her. It's like one of those NAMALT threads where you have to exclude all these men who don't behave like that. If you don't roll your eyes, she's not talking about you. In any case the level of vitriol and projection is crazy.

Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 12:54

@MaybeIWillFuckOffThen - That is such a good post. I really had no idea.

baxtersm · 14/11/2022 13:17

There's a girl in my office, mid 30s, lives with parents, no responsibilities whatsoever, she is the latest in every day, 5, 10 minutes.. it's a joke and I often wonder if she saw what I had to do in the morning with 4 kids and I'm still at work before her!! she blames the traffics every day but never leaves any earlier 🙄🙄

Gumreduction · 14/11/2022 14:02

baxtersm · 14/11/2022 13:17

There's a girl in my office, mid 30s, lives with parents, no responsibilities whatsoever, she is the latest in every day, 5, 10 minutes.. it's a joke and I often wonder if she saw what I had to do in the morning with 4 kids and I'm still at work before her!! she blames the traffics every day but never leaves any earlier 🙄🙄

Shit manager

EthicalNonMahogany · 14/11/2022 14:04

Agree OP isn't having a pop at child free ppl. She's saying that having a day off from the morning madness has made her realise what an achievement it is for ALL carers to get stuff done. The medal is a joke ffs.

But while I'm here - having children is different to all other responsibilities. It really is. They are your legal dependents. Have a dog that's hard work? Rehome it if you want. Don't want to care for MIL? Fine, don't. Hate your busy job and the rat race? Leave it and live on a lower income if you can (people on poverty obviously the exception as they, too, have no meaningful choice).

But if you choose to have children, it is your choice, but it's a non reversible choice locking you into a series of subsequent mandatory requirements- about work, sleep, rest, food - the lot. So people saying "but it's your choice to have kids" miss the point. You've chosen it but you can't unchoose it which makes it different from most other things- except perhaps disability, illness, poverty and the like.

Gumreduction · 14/11/2022 14:28

GrrrrrreeeNotgreatactually · 14/11/2022 09:06

If I came on and said I should get a medal as I am constantly late due to walking ten rescue greyhounds every morning would I get more sympathy?

From me you’d get the same quizzical expression I had when I read your op

Softplayhooray · 14/11/2022 14:35

Sorry OP, YABVU. You chose to have kids! You also sound extremely resentful and jealous of other women who do it differently, and like you have a superiority complex to them, which isn't very nice. Everyone just gets on with it. Expecting a medal for just doing normal stuff is weird.

junglejane66 · 14/11/2022 15:09

There you go.................

To think I and other people with commitments should get a medal
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