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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think I and other people with commitments should get a medal

241 replies

GrrrrrreeeNotgreatactually · 14/11/2022 08:28

Kids have an inset day and their dad is home and so for the first time (possibly ever) I am getting ready for work without having to get them ready for school, nursery, holiday club.
I'm actually bored. It's not time to leave yet. I'm dressed. I've even done a bit around the house. It makes me think of how easy this is, even for a serial procrastinator like me. So know I'm wondering about all my child free colleagues who roll their eyes when I come in frazzled, frizzy, five minutes late (I also stay late) and sometimes with someone else's toothpaste on me. Do they have any idea how easy it is to get yourself out of the house for work compared to getting other little two people out the door (who frankly aren't as motivated)? Do they not realise that those of us with kids/ caring responsibilities are not just wilfully blasé but that it's actually really fucking difficult to get somewhere (almost) on time without looking like you've been through tough mudder with an added sticky fingers obstacle?
I could do this every day.

OP posts:
WifeMotherWorker · 14/11/2022 09:49

LazyJayne · 14/11/2022 09:32

OP, you’ve posted on a site with a significant proportion of:

  • women who desperately want to have children, and are unable or struggling to conceive;
  • women of a certain age/set of circumstances who now need to make ‘the decision’ about whether or not to have children and potentially risk it all (their health, their career, their finances, their independence) for something that may or may not work out as planned;
  • women who have decided to remain child free and are now living with that decision, either happily or unhappily (or a bit of both).

So if I were you, I wouldn’t be too surprised that the stereotype of your ‘clueless childfree’ colleagues who ‘just have no idea, do they girls, haw haw’ has rubbed some up the wrong way. It’s the way you’ve written it.

Get a grip, this MUMSNET!! A site set up to connect mums and share experiences and give support as we all navigate the rollercoaster journey of parenthood.

Gumreduction · 14/11/2022 09:50

What “frazzles” you Op

Doesn’t frazzle many many many others

Gumreduction · 14/11/2022 09:52

Hate the betting the OP is one of those employees who is always going on about how much they have to do and how busy they are? 😂

Gumreduction · 14/11/2022 09:52

But actually have very little responsibility

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/11/2022 09:53

So if I were you, I wouldn’t be too surprised that the stereotype of your ‘clueless childfree’ colleagues who ‘just have no idea, do they girls, haw haw’ has rubbed some up the wrong way. It’s the way you’ve written it.

Yep.

MultiTulip · 14/11/2022 09:54

Sonervousimgonnathrowup · 14/11/2022 08:38

YABVU.

Yeah, let’s pander to mother’s even more.
Nothing is a greater idea than shaming childfree/childless people.
hopefully you have some intelligence and awareness of the society around you, and have noticed there’s a huge stigma of not having or wanting children.

Honestly, your post is gross.

Do you think perhaps Mumsnet is not the online spiritual home you’re looking for?

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 09:54

WifeMotherWorker · 14/11/2022 09:49

Get a grip, this MUMSNET!! A site set up to connect mums and share experiences and give support as we all navigate the rollercoaster journey of parenthood.

Actually, it's byline is "by parents for parents" and it has always welcomed the childless by choice or by circumstance as well.
At least it did until the demographic became slightly more "hunny" and "bubba" weighted.

WifeMotherWorker · 14/11/2022 09:54

Sonervousimgonnathrowup · 14/11/2022 09:40

Moan, yeah.
But to shit on others, not cool.

It really does come off regreting life choices and not taking responsibility of those regrets.

I trust people to be smart enough to know that, specially childfree women, are often call every name under the sun, so to be just one more person to add to that is so sad.

Everyone needs a moan here and now, put there is no need to drag others (speacially from already stigmatized group of people) down.

If op would have let that part out, I would have believe this was ’light-hearted’, but considering she won’t address this, she comes off as mean.

This is a parenting forum 🙄
There is nothing wrong with OPs post. If it annoys you or bares no relevance to you life just move on but stop with the nastiness.

MuraRocker · 14/11/2022 09:57

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Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 09:57

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 09:54

Actually, it's byline is "by parents for parents" and it has always welcomed the childless by choice or by circumstance as well.
At least it did until the demographic became slightly more "hunny" and "bubba" weighted.

I have been on Mumsnet long before I was a parent, I didn’t however complain I was being victimised when parents were having a moan about parenting.

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 09:58

WifeMotherWorker · 14/11/2022 09:54

This is a parenting forum 🙄
There is nothing wrong with OPs post. If it annoys you or bares no relevance to you life just move on but stop with the nastiness.

Said the pot.
Do you think infertile women or women who have dead babies should be kicked off because they are childless?
Are you quite new here?
Spotted your name a lot over the last few days. And always so charming to people who don't share the same experiences as you.

Rogue1001MNer · 14/11/2022 09:59

Sonervousimgonnathrowup · 14/11/2022 09:42

Don’t talk before taking a look at your own behaviour.
No need to be awful.

Don't worry. You've pretty-much got monopoly of that on here

MultiTulip · 14/11/2022 09:59

I went swimming without kids a few weeks ago and couldn’t believe how easy it was to just get changed and get into the pool. Just didn’t appreciate it at all before having kids!

hellosunshineagainxxx · 14/11/2022 10:01

user55875537986543 · 14/11/2022 08:46

OP, YANBU, as someone else has said, this is clearly a light hearted thread and some of the replies are bonkers!

It is hard work getting children ready and off to school. It is. Not hard enough work to regret having them but still hard work and I MARVEL at the teachers at my childrens school who are there at 7.30am and who have managed that with their own children.

Here here

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 10:01

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The OP began a thinly veiled attack on people who are not parents. It's been carried on by others.

@Flapjackquack I joined when my daughter was 1. Never talked much about her on here as that's not why I joined back in the day.

What has certainly shifted over the years is the constant belittling and unwelcome sniping to anybody not living exactly the same experience.

Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 10:02

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 09:58

Said the pot.
Do you think infertile women or women who have dead babies should be kicked off because they are childless?
Are you quite new here?
Spotted your name a lot over the last few days. And always so charming to people who don't share the same experiences as you.

No one is saying that! They are saying that it’s ok for parents to complain about parenting on a site that’s primarily about parenting. It has other areas in its forum function but the brand of Mumsnet is about parenting so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that parents use it to complain about parenting from time to time!

MuraRocker · 14/11/2022 10:03

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Xiaoxiong · 14/11/2022 10:03

I completely agree with you OP! Every so often I have to go into the office early before the rest of the house wakes up and it's so easy just having myself to look after.

That being said, I had a week to myself this past summer while I was working and DH took the kids away. I was pretty lonely and bored after a few days and really lost motivation to do much besides the basics, and that was just a few days on my own. Not much fun.

WifeMotherWorker · 14/11/2022 10:04

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 09:58

Said the pot.
Do you think infertile women or women who have dead babies should be kicked off because they are childless?
Are you quite new here?
Spotted your name a lot over the last few days. And always so charming to people who don't share the same experiences as you.

No I’m not new!! Just defending a fellow frazzled mum from comments that are totally irrelevant to the post which talks about the struggles of parenthood and working.
if you don’t like the post and it isn’t relatable move on. Don’t comment saying it’s thoughtless to childless mothers, what an awful thing to say to the OP!!

Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 10:05

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 10:01

The OP began a thinly veiled attack on people who are not parents. It's been carried on by others.

@Flapjackquack I joined when my daughter was 1. Never talked much about her on here as that's not why I joined back in the day.

What has certainly shifted over the years is the constant belittling and unwelcome sniping to anybody not living exactly the same experience.

Jesus Christ she was just venting, it’s not a “thinly veiled attack”. I agree Mumsnet has become more hostile, but I don’t think it’s the OP being hostile here.

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 10:05

@Flapjackquack
If you read the delightful pp which I quoted, you'll see that that is exactly what she is saying. Not a Mum? Shouldn't be here

Mind you, AS is useful as she has interesting opinions about lots of people who are not like her. If you read more of her anti- this and anti-that stuff, you may not be so quick to spring to her defence.

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 10:06

WifeMotherWorker · 14/11/2022 10:04

No I’m not new!! Just defending a fellow frazzled mum from comments that are totally irrelevant to the post which talks about the struggles of parenthood and working.
if you don’t like the post and it isn’t relatable move on. Don’t comment saying it’s thoughtless to childless mothers, what an awful thing to say to the OP!!

I was saying it to you.

Flapjackquack · 14/11/2022 10:07

@PAFMO - I don’t tend to keep tabs on specific posters honestly

MultiTulip · 14/11/2022 10:08

I think it’s absolutely pathetic that even on a forum specifically for parents, with Mum in its actual name, women are having to fight for space to lightheartedly discuss their lived experience of parenting. There are plenty of discussions even on Mumsnet that aren’t about parenting. Let people have their space.

Stunningscreamer · 14/11/2022 10:08

PAFMO · 14/11/2022 09:58

Said the pot.
Do you think infertile women or women who have dead babies should be kicked off because they are childless?
Are you quite new here?
Spotted your name a lot over the last few days. And always so charming to people who don't share the same experiences as you.

Oh come on! If it was a thread about infertility or being childfree by choice or circumstances, I'd defend your right to talk about it or complain about parents who don't realise how difficult it is. But parents should equally be able to talk about struggling sometimes on a primarily parenting website.

OP it's been a long time since I've been in that situation but I remember how difficult it can be. There seem to be more and more people on this site who seem to come on here just to be nasty to anyone who wants to vent. It's not being a martyr to want occasional bits of appreciation and support. You're doing a great job. And of course there are people who have no caring responsibilities who like to imply how much more competent they are than those that don't! It's like those men who leave all the organising and packing of bags and sorting of children to the woman for a day out and then sit in the car beeping the horn because they're not ready!

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