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How could this have happened?! Trigger warning - child / animal neglect

218 replies

ljs22 · 13/11/2022 19:12

I don't usually post links to articles - please delete if not allowed.

This made me so angry and upset. How and why can this happen??

This couple claimed 7k per month in benefits yet seriously neglected 7 children and 36 dogs. This is disgraceful. One child had to have all their teeth removed under general anaesthetic as they were so decayed. Another child discouraged from attending school and made to look after the others. A child found covered in animal faeces next to a deceased dog. Utterly heartbreaking and absolutely infuriating at the same time.

I don't know what I'm posting for, I'm just upset and angry. Why did this happen? They can't exactly claim poverty on 7k per month, so why were these children not provided for?? Are they just selfish / evil people?!

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HobnobsChoice · 13/11/2022 19:27

They got 6 years for child neglect. The 18 weeks is for animal neglect.

NellyCat · 13/11/2022 19:27

hang on they are not wealthy people and surely there is something else going on here - if you had 7k a month would you live like that? Surely they are drug addicts or have severe mental health issues.

Longsleepneeded · 13/11/2022 19:28

18 weeks is a ridiculously short sentence! I feel sick just reading that. Those poor children. How sad is it that even the 17 year old had no one to turn to to ask for help? I don't understand how no one noticed this, did they not smell if there were that many dogs in the house? Society has let those children down badly, I hope they find someone to care for them all and teach them that this is not normal living.

BruhWhy · 13/11/2022 19:28

HobnobsChoice · 13/11/2022 19:27

They got 6 years for child neglect. The 18 weeks is for animal neglect.

Thank goodness.

Rainallnight · 13/11/2022 19:28

Jesus Christ. How horrifying.

I think the benefits thing is neither here nor there. No one ever abuses their child solely because of poverty. It’s to do with intergenerational cycles of abuse and trauma. Adding £7k a month doesn’t magically make that go away.

ljs22 · 13/11/2022 19:29

HobnobsChoice · 13/11/2022 19:27

They got 6 years for child neglect. The 18 weeks is for animal neglect.

Yes this was my understanding

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Christmasamtryigtogetexcited · 13/11/2022 19:31

. Yes I can see why you mentioned their income but I personally would have said 7k income rather than 7k benefits income 🤷‍♀️
I haven’t read the article because I want to sleep tonight…but agree there are some bloody shocking human beings on this planet !

UpTheAnte · 13/11/2022 19:35

TomTraubertsBlues · 13/11/2022 19:22

Money doesn't make a shit parent a good parent. This is obvious, surely?

Strawman 🙄

MynameisJune · 13/11/2022 19:36

NellyCat · 13/11/2022 19:27

hang on they are not wealthy people and surely there is something else going on here - if you had 7k a month would you live like that? Surely they are drug addicts or have severe mental health issues.

Can’t just be absolutely vile people, has to be some sort of mental illness right.

Crossback · 13/11/2022 19:43

Her fb profile is open (was last week anyway)
interesting to see how she portrays/portrayed her life and her kids

gottachangeforthisone · 13/11/2022 19:49

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jetadore · 13/11/2022 19:50

MynameisJune · 13/11/2022 19:36

Can’t just be absolutely vile people, has to be some sort of mental illness right.

Yes, actually, I’d say that’s pretty much right.

Rainallnight · 13/11/2022 19:50

How on Earth did social services not intervene? That is just beyond belief.

huntermooreisacnut · 13/11/2022 19:51

gottachangeforthisone . Are you saying they faked their childrens special needs? How is that even possible?

gottachangeforthisone · 13/11/2022 19:51

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NewBootsAndRanty · 13/11/2022 19:52

And the dogs?

Chikapu · 13/11/2022 19:52

Crossback · 13/11/2022 19:43

Her fb profile is open (was last week anyway)
interesting to see how she portrays/portrayed her life and her kids

It's still there, she seems obsessed with taking selfies and portraying herself as some kind of saint.

gottachangeforthisone · 13/11/2022 19:53

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Wheatandchaff · 13/11/2022 19:54

Crossback · 13/11/2022 19:43

Her fb profile is open (was last week anyway)
interesting to see how she portrays/portrayed her life and her kids

I’ve just had a snoot (it’s still open). How odd. It’s like nothing every happened?

NellyCat · 13/11/2022 19:54

MynameisJune · 13/11/2022 19:36

Can’t just be absolutely vile people, has to be some sort of mental illness right.

make you mind up people which do you want - benefits scroungers or extremely fucked up people? Personally I think you can be both. And yes the system is fucked if these people managed to get 7K in benefits, treat their children like that and nobody noticed while other people can barely survive on UC.

misssunshine4040 · 13/11/2022 19:55

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So your a DWP worker?

Anyone leaking info on cases they work on like this no matter the job role just show that that system is run by incompetent unprofessional idiots.

jonesy1999 · 13/11/2022 19:55

XenoBitch · 13/11/2022 19:15

No, just no.

This has been posted before and was a thinly veiled benefit bashing thread.
The fact you have mentioned the amount this family claimed twice is a sure sign of that.

Eh? So we just cant even discuss it?

What are you talking about? So what if they were on benefits? Why does that mean people shouldn't be (rightly) outraged by what they have done?

huntermooreisacnut · 13/11/2022 19:56

gottachange Are you a social worker on the case? I'm just surpsied as a mum of children with special needs that a) we hardly get any financial benefits, and b) we were made to jump through a considerable amount of hoops to get the little support that we do. Having gone through the system myself i just cant see how someone can fake it - especially kids!!! Psychologists and other practitioners arent idiots. There is an awful lot of testing to receive a diagnosis. I just dont understand it but happy to be enlightened.

ljs22 · 13/11/2022 19:56

Crossback · 13/11/2022 19:43

Her fb profile is open (was last week anyway)
interesting to see how she portrays/portrayed her life and her kids

Just looked. Made me more angry 😡

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Wheatandchaff · 13/11/2022 19:57

My concern is that lots of this happened over lockdown. I had a young child during lockdown and the HVs switched to things like video calls. Sometimes they didn’t even ask to see the children, just a quick chat with mum. How can abuse or domestic violence or mental health struggles be picked up or discussed if you aren’t seeing the full picture? Not blaming HVs at all, they went by the guidance, but things must have been missed during lockdown, it was inevitable.