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Am I overreacting or is that outrageous?

178 replies

Terrysnotmine · 09/11/2022 11:36

In a shop near me

Am I overreacting or is that outrageous?
OP posts:
CloudybutMild · 09/11/2022 14:12

JustWork · 09/11/2022 13:59

No, the Soviets alone didn't defeat Germany but neither can you gloss over their contribution as many in the UK and us tend to do. It wasn't an equal contribution. They won the deciding battle at Stalingrad, which had the bulk of the German army. (They were also the first to enter Berlin, I think). Let's not forget that nearly 25 million soviets died in ww2, much more than in any other country, including the allies. (Only China comes close in terms of fatalities with about 20mio).

No-one is doing that here, or downplaying their contribution and sacrifice.

Sadly though two very ignorant and aggressive posters seem unable to understand that it was not the soviets alone who fought, or that there was more to the war than the European conflict.

BitOutOfPractice · 09/11/2022 14:13

JustWork · 09/11/2022 13:59

No, the Soviets alone didn't defeat Germany but neither can you gloss over their contribution as many in the UK and us tend to do. It wasn't an equal contribution. They won the deciding battle at Stalingrad, which had the bulk of the German army. (They were also the first to enter Berlin, I think). Let's not forget that nearly 25 million soviets died in ww2, much more than in any other country, including the allies. (Only China comes close in terms of fatalities with about 20mio).

I absolutely wasn't glossing over the Soviet contribution. The tremendous efforts and sacrifices made by the Soviet armed forces and civilians were absolutely crucial in the Allies' victory. Nobody in their right mind would deny that. But that doesn't mean they were solely responsible for the Axis defeat. They weren't.

jimjamy · 09/11/2022 14:13

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 09/11/2022 12:50

Wouldn't the apostrophe still be incorrect?

Would it not be "THE NAZIS' THANK YOU"

but more to the point what sort of tree is that supposed to be? It looks like the arm of an old articial Christmas tree. That's outrageous.

It's just one Nazi saying thank you. The others were ungrateful.

Sheitgeist · 09/11/2022 14:14

Sorry, OP YABU. This made me laugh.

winteryblues · 09/11/2022 14:14

CloudybutMild · 09/11/2022 12:13

What’s offensive about it though?

The apostrophe.

CloudybutMild · 09/11/2022 14:16

winteryblues · 09/11/2022 14:14

The apostrophe.

Agreed absolutely on that point of course.

Fluffydiamond · 09/11/2022 14:19

You're over reacting.

HuggsBosom · 09/11/2022 14:22

BitOutOfPractice · 09/11/2022 14:13

I absolutely wasn't glossing over the Soviet contribution. The tremendous efforts and sacrifices made by the Soviet armed forces and civilians were absolutely crucial in the Allies' victory. Nobody in their right mind would deny that. But that doesn't mean they were solely responsible for the Axis defeat. They weren't.

But they were the driving force.

"It was the Western Allies’ extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire ‘butcher’s bill’ for [defeating Nazi Germany], accepting 95 per cent of the military casualties of the three major powers of the Grand Alliance," writes Hastings."

writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945."

Caroffee · 09/11/2022 14:22

If you knew the shop is well-known foe not being PC, why go in it when you are? Stick to your own kind.

JustWork · 09/11/2022 14:24

I wish I could see the rear of the displaY. Is it really just a few branches with some saluting soldiers lying around?

OopsAnotherOne · 09/11/2022 14:25

Meh, nothing I could get upset about. The figure to the left of the sign looks like a historical model - I'm guessing the little figures are supposed to be Nazis? Maybe they'd had problems with people stealing/breaking them even if they were only touching them, so now there's a "Don't touch the Nazi's" sign, although the apostrophe irks me slightly haha!
The sort of shop which, by your own admission isn't PC, and sells/displays Nazi figures, doesn't seem the type of shop to pussy-foot around the correct name for the models the sign-writer is referring to.

Autumnnewname · 09/11/2022 14:25

user1473878824 · 09/11/2022 11:37

The apostrophe? Yes.

A table display of a battle field and not being asked to touch certain models that clearly people have been? No.

Yes

The Nazi's what?

JustWork · 09/11/2022 14:25

JustWork · 09/11/2022 14:24

I wish I could see the rear of the displaY. Is it really just a few branches with some saluting soldiers lying around?

That should read the rest of the display.

BitOutOfPractice · 09/11/2022 14:31

HuggsBosom · 09/11/2022 14:22

But they were the driving force.

"It was the Western Allies’ extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire ‘butcher’s bill’ for [defeating Nazi Germany], accepting 95 per cent of the military casualties of the three major powers of the Grand Alliance," writes Hastings."

writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945."

Max Hastings is not a historian afaik. He's a journalist I believe. That may be semantics of course but as a historian I felt I must point that out 😉

deydododatdodontdeydo · 09/11/2022 14:33

HuggsBosom · 09/11/2022 14:22

But they were the driving force.

"It was the Western Allies’ extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire ‘butcher’s bill’ for [defeating Nazi Germany], accepting 95 per cent of the military casualties of the three major powers of the Grand Alliance," writes Hastings."

writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945."

You keep quoting from the same source - poor form.
And a right wing journalist who's written a book, not a historian.
And also misinterpreting what he's saying - suffering the most losses doesn't mean they beat the nazis alone.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 09/11/2022 14:35

jimjamy · 09/11/2022 14:13

It's just one Nazi saying thank you. The others were ungrateful.

Ah yes, that'll be the one with the moustache.

HuggsBosom · 09/11/2022 14:39

BitOutOfPractice · 09/11/2022 14:31

Max Hastings is not a historian afaik. He's a journalist I believe. That may be semantics of course but as a historian I felt I must point that out 😉

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hastings

Sir Max Hugh Macdonald Hastings FRSL FRHistS (/ˈheɪstɪŋz/; born 28 December 1945)[1] is a British journalist and military historian,[2] who has worked as a foreign correspondent for the BBC, editor-in-chief of The Daily Telegraph, and editor of the Evening Standard. He is also the author of numerous books, chiefly on war, which have won several major awards.

He has presented historical documentaries for the BBC and is the author of many books, including Bomber Command, which earned the Somerset Maugham Award for non-fiction in 1980. Both Overlord and The Battle for the Falklands won the Yorkshire Post Book of the Year prize. He was named Journalist of the Year and Reporter of the Year at the 1982 British Press Awards, and Editor of the Year in 1988. In 2010 he received the Royal United Services Institute's Westminster Medal for his "lifelong contribution to military literature", and the same year the Edgar Wallace Award from the London Press Club.[4]

Dreamwhisper · 09/11/2022 14:40

I'm an idiot. I thought you had a point because I thought it said - "Do not touch - the Nazi's thank you!"

But as it actually says "Do not touch the Nazi's - Thank you!" YABU

HuggsBosom · 09/11/2022 14:43

deydododatdodontdeydo · 09/11/2022 14:33

You keep quoting from the same source - poor form.
And a right wing journalist who's written a book, not a historian.
And also misinterpreting what he's saying - suffering the most losses doesn't mean they beat the nazis alone.

He is a historian.

And the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army.

But I bet you find that irrelevant too Hmm

www.historyireland.com/stalins-victory-the-soviet-union-and-world-war-ii/

Testina · 09/11/2022 14:45

@HuggsBosom “He is a historian.”

In the spirit of this thread, I’d like to introduce a tangent of being offended that you didn’t write “an historian”.

HuggsBosom · 09/11/2022 14:48

Testina · 09/11/2022 14:45

@HuggsBosom “He is a historian.”

In the spirit of this thread, I’d like to introduce a tangent of being offended that you didn’t write “an historian”.

My bad! Although I notice you weren't offended by @BitOutOfPractice saying 'Max Hastings is not a historian afaik.' Wink

deydododatdodontdeydo · 09/11/2022 14:52

HuggsBosom · 09/11/2022 14:43

He is a historian.

And the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army.

But I bet you find that irrelevant too Hmm

www.historyireland.com/stalins-victory-the-soviet-union-and-world-war-ii/

Who said it's irrelevant?
You are making stuff up in your world of 1s and 0s.

JustWork · 09/11/2022 14:58

Testina · 09/11/2022 14:45

@HuggsBosom “He is a historian.”

In the spirit of this thread, I’d like to introduce a tangent of being offended that you didn’t write “an historian”.

Why "an historian"? It's not a silent h.

...or is it??

jennakong · 09/11/2022 15:01

I think it just means they have set the Nazis like that for dramatic affect and don't want anyone 'tidying' or setting them back up again.

Either that or there are some very disturbing people with extreme right wing leanings openly running shops in your village.

Alexandernevermind · 09/11/2022 15:06

**@Testina · Today 13:23

@Alexandernevermind “I would perhaps tell the owner I thought it offensive, particularly for the Eastern European members of our community.”

Why are Eastern Europeans (who suffered far more than the British under the Nazi regime, with invasion, occupation, ghettos, Holocaust transports) more likely to find the word “Nazi” for a general German WW2 soldier offensive?**

FFS, stop trying to be offended. I'll play along. Sooo, it isn't the word Nazi, it the joke that MAY cause upset is what I meant, as you well know. And to answer your other question to me no, of course I don't speak for the Eastern European community, I'm dont have a saviour complex, simply saying persecuted communities from these countries might be upset. Actually people from all parts of Europe might be upset, but we have a particularly large EE community in our town (compared to other community groups, before you jump on me for that too. For the record no, I would not have complained, I would have complained before I posted the photo on SM though.

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