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AIBU to say something to my sister or should I butt out

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Ballygoforwards · 08/11/2022 21:20

My sister is in her early 30s. She had a child at a relatively young age (25) and subsequently went back to university and did a degree and masters. She worked part time to fund the degree and masters. She split up from her DC’s father but he gives her the required amount of child support.
This whole time, she has lived rent free with my parents.
A couple of years ago she met someone else and they are engaged. Between them they earn 6 figures. Maybe £120k ish.
He has also moved in with my parents. They often go to his parents when her child spends the weekend with said child’s dad.
They continue to live rent free. They don’t contribute to bills, they have their meals cooked daily. All washing gets done for my sister and her DC. My parents also do drop off and pick up for their grandchild every day.
My sister tells me they’re saving up to buy a house but they live in an extremely expensive city and housing stock is low. They’re also very picky about the areas in which they’re willing to buy. They don’t want to rent as it’s “a waste of money”, believing that renting won’t allow them to save to buy something as quickly than as if they live with my parents.
This whole situation enrages my other sibling and me. My parents aren’t old but they should be out enjoying life and travelling the world; instead they’re doing the majority of my sister’s childcare and spending their pension on bills for 5 people. They’re fairly affluent but it all adds up.
Meanwhile my sister is saving a huge deposit to buy a place “at some point” but also spends plenty on nice holidays, brand new iPhone, £20k engagement ring (incidentally, this caused their home insurance premiums to rise. Guess who doesn’t contribute to their insurance premiums, or indeed their health insurance premiums) etc etc.

On the other hand, my other sibling works for the NHS, lives in an even more expensive city than the rest of my family and rents a one bedroom flat with her partner. They’d love to be able to save to buy something and work all sorts of extra shifts to try and out something aside but it’s not realistic given their outgoings and low income.

If it were up to me! my sister should move out with her child and fiancé into a rented property and continue to save albeit more slowly slowly and sacrifice a few of the luxuries. She should also put her child in wraparound care. My parents are then free to live their lives, helping out occasionally but their own terms.

Here’s my AIBU. My parents don’t seem to object to the status quo. It’s more that my other sibling and me are annoyed on their behalf. So AIBU to say something to my sister? Or my parents? Or should I mind my own business and butt out since none of the people involved seem to be unhappy with the situation.

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Brigante9 · 08/11/2022 21:24

You’re right, it if your parents continue to support her and not tell her to bugger off, then there isn’t much you can do. Is her dd the only grandchild?

Merlott · 08/11/2022 21:25

If your sister needs more money to have a deposit for a house then that's a separate conversation for her to have with her parents.

If you Are struggling for childcare and want to ask your parents to do pick ups then that's also a separate conversation.

Nothing good will come from pointing fingers at the unfairness. But feel free to ask for what YOU want and need.

Fraaahnces · 08/11/2022 21:26

Your parents are utter mugs

ThorFull · 08/11/2022 21:31

Stay out of it.
I got involved with my sisters life and now we’ve fallen out (our relationship can’t come back from this) and I’m heartbroken.
I wish I’d stayed out of it.

parietal · 08/11/2022 21:57

you can't say or do anything. maybe your parents love their grandchild and like having company. it is their decision.

if you need more support from your parents (or your other sibling does), you could ask for more and see if your parents want to step up. but if they don't, then you just have to keep quiet.

Herejustforthisone · 08/11/2022 22:13

Your sister sounds like a twat.

Your poor parents sound like mugs.

Ballygoforwards · 08/11/2022 22:32

In fortunate in that I don’t need any help from my parents. I live in a different country to them so have never expected any help from them.

They don’t take a massive amount of interest in my own DC because they’re busy with my sister’s DC. But that’s another story.

I’m very fond of my sister by the way. She a lovely person and would do anything for anyone. I actually don’t think it occurs to her what a burden she is to our parents, even if they themselves don’t see it that way.

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beonmywaythen · 08/11/2022 22:38

I would speak to your sister rather than your parents. If she is as lovely as you say then maybe she really doesn't know. We have the same situation with my sister-in-law and our children almost never see their grandparents because her children are always at their house. We had a huge blowup but nothing has changed. You do have to be prepared for that if you do say something. But my sister-in-law did absolutely knew what she was doing.

TomTraubertsBlues · 08/11/2022 22:41

It's not your sister that's the issue - it's your parents. They are obviously happy with this arrangement, unfair as it is. Shes obviously taking advantage, but they could stop it tomorrow if they chose.

Was she the golden child when she was younger by any chance? Or do they feel guilty over any aspect of her younger years.

TomTraubertsBlues · 08/11/2022 22:43

And I don't believe that an adult who is capable of earning £50k plus doesn't realise that life costs money. You can't watch the news without hearing about the cost of living crisis - she definitely knows.

mycatisannoying · 08/11/2022 22:51

I agree with you OP, but if your parents are daft enough to do it ...

Ballygoforwards · 08/11/2022 23:05

TomTraubertsBlues · 08/11/2022 22:41

It's not your sister that's the issue - it's your parents. They are obviously happy with this arrangement, unfair as it is. Shes obviously taking advantage, but they could stop it tomorrow if they chose.

Was she the golden child when she was younger by any chance? Or do they feel guilty over any aspect of her younger years.

She wasn’t actually. My parents have always treated us equally, none of us was golden. Well maybe in our own way, for example my other sibling and my dad are very close, my mum and sister are. I’m also close to my mum albeit I moved out a long time ago, after uni so don’t see them that regularly and they’re not the type that would pick up the phone and give you a call.

I just don’t know why my parents put up with it. But I’m not convinced that my dad is completely thrilled about it all. He’s really aged in the last few years and running around after a primary school child isn’t what he should be going. I’m really torn. I don’t want to ruin my relationship with my sister. If I spoke to my mum, she’d probably bat it away. My other sibling and I have discussed them talking to our dad but that has to come from my other sibling and that sibling is also a bit reluctant to bring it up for fear of upsetting our parents or our own relationship with them. Probably a bit dramatic but these things have a habit of escalating.

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Traisonthewine78 · 08/11/2022 23:12

You live in a different country, your parents have capacity to make their own decisions and seem happy with how things are. How and why is this impacting your life in any way? Have you paid close attention to why you feel so mad? You say it's because of the life your parents could be living, but they are happy as they are. Why do you get to decide what they should be doing and what the best life for them is?

Icanflyhigh · 08/11/2022 23:12

None of your business and your whole post smacks of jealousy and entitlement.
I have a sister just like you and we are NC for this very reason.
She thinks I'm getting more than she gets and she's bitter.
Sad thing is I probably get least out of the three of us, but I don't care, and as far I'm concerned my dad can go and spend every penny he has, sell his house and enjoy the funds. As long as he is happy I don't care. I lost my mum a few weeks ago and life is short.

Ballygoforwards · 08/11/2022 23:20

I’m really not jealous at all. Or bitter. We have more than enough ourselves. I don’t begrudge anything they spend on my sister but they worked hard all their lives and I’d sooner see them spending it on themselves rather than my sister, her fiancé and my sisters DC.
If they’re all happy great. This is why I’ve posted, Because even if they’re all happy, it doesn’t change the fact that I think that she’s taking the piss out of our parents. Moving her fiancé in was the last straw really. He had his own place he rented but he gave up his tenancy to move into my parents’ house rent free.

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SarahDippity · 08/11/2022 23:24

As siblings, my brothers, sisters and I are very direct about matters like this. We see it that our parents put in the time and money when we were younger and as adults it is our responsibility to not leach off retired parents. I would have no hesitation speaking to a sibling about paying their way, out of solidarity with my parents.

Sceptre86 · 09/11/2022 05:48

I feel like you've written about my family. I have a sister who is exactly the same as yours. Dad is unhappy about the situation mum just likes to be needed. Everyone else sibling wise is getting on with their own life but we no longer visit as much as when we stay at home sister is put out as us 'invading' her space.

It's frustrating but nothing we can do and my mum won't listen anyway. Sister is also either a CF or obtuse depending on which sibling I speak to.

ThunderMoo · 09/11/2022 06:00

Very tricky and I feel your OP is very measured and calm. It mist be very difficult looking at this from outside their relationship. You say your dad shows signs of not being particularly keen on the arrangement. Are you able to speak to him about it? You could ask in a general "cost of living chat" how it's going with so many people in the house and see where he takes the conversation from there?

BabyOnBoard90 · 09/11/2022 06:04

You're probably right, but if your parents aren't taking issue with it then I suppose it's fine all things considered

Ballygoforwards · 09/11/2022 09:58

Yes maybe I do need to have a conversation with my dad. I think though, out of respect for my sister, he might not open up about whether it bothers him or not. But it’s worth a chat. Thanks all..

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TomTraubertsBlues · 09/11/2022 10:00

Your parents are grown adults though. You seem to be assuming that they have no agency in this.

They are choosing not to ask her for rent. They are choosing not to ask her to move out. They are choosing to help her and not the other sibling who's struggling. These are all their choices.

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/11/2022 10:03

Your parents are (presumably) competent adults.

If you want to talk to anyone, it should be your sister and her partner.

Winter2020 · 09/11/2022 10:23

Your parents are adults that do not have a mental impairment or vulnerability from what you have said. So they are perfectly capable of managing their own relationships without your input.

It's not unusual for parents to let an adult child live with them for free to save a deposit. Perhaps your sister that is a nurse would have done this if she was local. That would be between her and your parents.

Your parents can ask for rent if they want. They can say the childcare is getting too much if they want and ask your sister to book childcare. They can say the living arrangements are too much if they want and suggest the family plan to move out.

If my adult child was living with me with my agreement and I was caring for my grandchild with my agreement I would be pretty unhappy about you interfering.

Hbh17 · 09/11/2022 10:27

Your parents are fools, but presumably this is their choice. It is actually nothing to do with you, so best to ignore.

girlmom21 · 09/11/2022 10:30

Your parents are fine with the dynamic so I don't think you should say anything.

If they ask them to leave their relationship with their grandchild will suffer.

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