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The one show - presenter is son of famous singer but what about giving my son a chance

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Neapolitanicecream · 07/11/2022 19:06

I just wish there was a fair crack for all our sons and daughters to get theses opportunities 🤢

OP posts:
Holidayexpert · 07/11/2022 21:12

It’s everywhere! Brooklyn beckham is plain as fuck, as are all of the beckham kids!, as is Noel Gallagher’s daughter anais, and they are models apparently 😀
kaye mosses’s daughter is a model and is completely ordinarily looking. . I see more attractive and charismatic young people walking down the street.

KatherineJaneway · 07/11/2022 21:12

LikeTearsInRain · 07/11/2022 21:08

And he only got into media so easily because of his mum and dad. Let’s be honest

Maybe so, but that wouldn't keep him there if he didn't cut the mustard

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 07/11/2022 21:14

It's all very well saying that anyone can get where Roman Kemp is if they have the ambition, if they're willing to do what YellowandGreen suggests but did Roman Kemp have to do all that to get where he is now? I think he's OK but nothing special at what he does, I bet there are thousands of unknowns out there who could do just as good a job. But then I get pissed off with all the celebs who suddenly write children's books. No way would they have got contracts if they were Joe Bloggs down the road.

Littlemisspawpatrol · 07/11/2022 21:14

I know right. I sent my CV into buck palace to be the next queen but they said it was a family thing. Doesn't make sense.

Don't worry OP, if your son is super talented he could make and present his own show on Youtube. Plenty of people have the chance to become a success on there now, instead of only going through TV applications.

ValleyClouds · 07/11/2022 21:15

It happens in every walk of life.

I have received treatment in a small specialist NHS hospital unit.

If they aren't related (mother/son, father/son) they are shagging and I certainly know of several who got their starting role there thanks to Daddy, across all Band Levels.

LikeTearsInRain · 07/11/2022 21:16

KatherineJaneway · 07/11/2022 21:12

Maybe so, but that wouldn't keep him there if he didn't cut the mustard

Frankly a lot of people would make a good radio presenter if given the chance

RLScott · 07/11/2022 21:17

KatherineJaneway · 07/11/2022 20:30

Michael Douglas and Drew Barrymore may have famous family but they are super talented in their own right.

Michael Douglas is a great talent who makes a film his own. Drew Barrymore, on the other hand, is disposable. ie. ten a penny. You could replace her with any other average run of the mill actress and the film would be unaffected.

Very few famous actors/actresses are exceptional/unique. From Jack Nicholson to Jim Carrey to Robin Williams, they bring something to a film only they can provide. Likewise those with a look (Arnold Schwarzenegger), or a unique voice and delivery (Alan Rickman).

Ball park figure, I’d say close to 90% of famous actors are disposable. You could replace them with unknowns from drama schools, and the status quo would remain. One actor touched on this theme when lauding Daniel Day-Lewis:

"In this glittering cesspit we call the acting profession, there are plenty of rival thesps who, through sheer luck or happenstance, seem to have the career we ourselves could have had if only the cards had fallen differently. But Day-Lewis is, by common consent, even in the most sourly disposed green rooms – a class apart. Performers of his mercurial intensity come along once in a generation."

The like of Day-Lewis are always going to make it such is their talent. The others, which is the vast majority, make it via “luck of happenstance” (nepotism in the case of Barrymore).

KatherineJaneway · 07/11/2022 21:17

LikeTearsInRain · 07/11/2022 21:16

Frankly a lot of people would make a good radio presenter if given the chance

Not saying they wouldn't. My point was his name opened the door but wouldn't keep him there if he was shit at the job.

XingMing · 07/11/2022 21:20

It's actually really hard work for most people to succeed in creative industries, particularly if you are "talent". You need to be good, and lucky too. Much more straightforward to succeed behind the scenes. There's a vast industry in the UK that works around the world in all the trades that put the pictures on the screens you watch.

KatherineJaneway · 07/11/2022 21:22

RLScott · 07/11/2022 21:17

Michael Douglas is a great talent who makes a film his own. Drew Barrymore, on the other hand, is disposable. ie. ten a penny. You could replace her with any other average run of the mill actress and the film would be unaffected.

Very few famous actors/actresses are exceptional/unique. From Jack Nicholson to Jim Carrey to Robin Williams, they bring something to a film only they can provide. Likewise those with a look (Arnold Schwarzenegger), or a unique voice and delivery (Alan Rickman).

Ball park figure, I’d say close to 90% of famous actors are disposable. You could replace them with unknowns from drama schools, and the status quo would remain. One actor touched on this theme when lauding Daniel Day-Lewis:

"In this glittering cesspit we call the acting profession, there are plenty of rival thesps who, through sheer luck or happenstance, seem to have the career we ourselves could have had if only the cards had fallen differently. But Day-Lewis is, by common consent, even in the most sourly disposed green rooms – a class apart. Performers of his mercurial intensity come along once in a generation."

The like of Day-Lewis are always going to make it such is their talent. The others, which is the vast majority, make it via “luck of happenstance” (nepotism in the case of Barrymore).

Totally disagree about Drew. She has 'it' in spades.

However I might like X group and you think they are shit. You might think Y group are the best musicians ever and I think they can't sing or play for toffee.

RLScott · 07/11/2022 21:22

The quirky Helena Bonham Carter is another unique talent.

*forgot to name an actress

GenerationSuper · 07/11/2022 21:23

Blueeyedgirl21 · 07/11/2022 19:54

I feel like Lila moss is a lovely looking girl but I see girls who are similarly attractive going into our local sixth form college every day. Whether they want to be models or not I don’t know but I feel like if Lila was brought up in Doncaster or some place similar and her mum and dad were a nurse and a window cleaner she probably wouldn’t be successful

Lila Moss is beautiful but her hair makes her not model material, she wouldn't have got the gig without mum.

TikNeres · 07/11/2022 21:23

Yep, I quite like Drew Barrymore too.

EdieLedwell · 07/11/2022 21:23

Holidayexpert · 07/11/2022 21:12

It’s everywhere! Brooklyn beckham is plain as fuck, as are all of the beckham kids!, as is Noel Gallagher’s daughter anais, and they are models apparently 😀
kaye mosses’s daughter is a model and is completely ordinarily looking. . I see more attractive and charismatic young people walking down the street.

Exactly.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/11/2022 21:24

FeliciteFaff · 07/11/2022 19:08

Nepotism has ruined Hollywood and everything else. There’s no real excitement about talent anymore. Look at the Beckhams kids, opportunities because of David and Victoria. Dozens and dozens of examples. What chance do ordinary folk have.

This

So many wooden and talentless people in Hollywood because of Daddy.

Don’t get me started on the Beckham kids.

My heart always sinks when I find out someone ‘new’ on the scene is related to a famous person. It’s usually a sign they’re gonna be shite

RLScott · 07/11/2022 21:25

KatherineJaneway · 07/11/2022 21:22

Totally disagree about Drew. She has 'it' in spades.

However I might like X group and you think they are shit. You might think Y group are the best musicians ever and I think they can't sing or play for toffee.

What exactly?

All the the others I’ve listed, what they offer is clear and obvious. When it’s not clear and obvious, it’s because it isn’t.

SomeChickensAreJustTooBig · 07/11/2022 21:25

People sometimes get jobs through family connections. It’s hardly news?

Soreztee · 07/11/2022 21:26

I hear you! In my ideal world everything would be earned on merit. Yes, that includes no monarch who exemplifies the unfairness in so many institutions. It’s not just a case of getting a job because of who you know, it’s worse than that, it’s knowing how the system works, feeling confident in yourself, having access to knowledge… it’s about opportunity. Matthew Syed writes brilliantly about this describing how his neighbourhood was blessed with talented table tennis players - why? Because there was a local club and proactive coach not because there was inherent talent in the genetic make up of his road. Ie there was an opportunity.

i am Oxbridge educated, first generation to attend Uni or to sit any exams. This doesn’t prove that access is equal, quite the opposite. I’m the exception. And I’ve felt the the impact of not having a school/family network to educate me in the ways of other work and social worlds - Oxbridge didn’t ameliorate this, not for me anyway. I’ve tried at every turn of my life to ‘pass it on’ by assisting with access to Oxbridge schemes,
hosting school visits in my
industry, sharing placements and apprenticeships and information on how a pupil could make it work for them, opening opportunities to ALL schools. I’m not naive. I know how the world works but I don’t have to like it and I will continue to spread the opportunities whenever I can. One thing I love about the internet is that it does at least democratise information. It’s so much easier to research opportunities and get information now compared to back in my
say.

Abitofalark · 07/11/2022 21:26

This thread reminded me of a feature I read recently about the BBC's then gender and identity correspondent in which she made the startling revelation that she applied for the BBC's trainee scheme and didn't get it, yet they offered her a job anyway in a very casual manner, which makes one wonder how that could happen if there is supposed to be open and fair competition for publicly funded appointments:

"I got the job because…

I applied for the BBC Trainee Scheme but I didn’t get on. I was shortlisted for an interview, and got an email afterwards telling me I hadn’t got on. I was really disappointed because I thought it had gone well. Then they called me the day after that generic email saying, “Actually, we thought you did really well so come in, have a job.” So that was really good, it was a total bypassing of the system in a way. So I went in as a producer on the World Service, working on various programmes and then I made the transition from that to being a reporter."

www.journoresources.org.uk/megha-mohan-the-bbcs-gender-and-identity-correspondent/

Canthave2manycats · 07/11/2022 21:27

MCHammersmutha · 07/11/2022 20:15

Christine Lampard met her now husband when she was the presenter of the one show not the other way round.

Christine Lampard worked her way up from being a runner in BBC NI. Even more barriers for a girl from a 'region' to be successful. Her parents were not in showbusiness and she presented for a good while in her home country before being successful on national TV. Frank had sod all to do with any of that - she was already successful in her own right.

KatherineJaneway · 07/11/2022 21:27

RLScott · 07/11/2022 21:25

What exactly?

All the the others I’ve listed, what they offer is clear and obvious. When it’s not clear and obvious, it’s because it isn’t.

What do you mean 'what'?

It is clear and obvious to me what Drew offers but as I said, horses for courses.

JudgeJ · 07/11/2022 21:28

Sillystripytail · 07/11/2022 19:55

Nepotism is in every industry, media is just the one you'll know about the most because they're in the public eye. Why have you fixated on Roman Kemp? He may have been helped by his connections but he wouldn't keep the jobs he's had/got if he was crap.

I wouldn't read up about Lance Stroll in F1 though if it bugs you this much, he's a shockingly shit racing driver but Daddy owns the team so hey ho!

You can also include Mick Schumacher too, one of the worst drivers in F1.

XingMing · 07/11/2022 21:28

I know Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley's mum locally, from another direction, and trust me, there wasn't any nepotism in her background that made her a supermodel, except the combination twist of genes that made her one of the most beautiful women of her generation. The rest she has made herself.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/11/2022 21:31

Holidayexpert · 07/11/2022 21:12

It’s everywhere! Brooklyn beckham is plain as fuck, as are all of the beckham kids!, as is Noel Gallagher’s daughter anais, and they are models apparently 😀
kaye mosses’s daughter is a model and is completely ordinarily looking. . I see more attractive and charismatic young people walking down the street.

See I don’t think the Beckham mum and dad are attractive. Never understood the David Beckham love. And actually I think calling their children ‘plain’ is generous 🫣

CharlotteStreet · 07/11/2022 21:31

GenerationSuper · 07/11/2022 21:23

Lila Moss is beautiful but her hair makes her not model material, she wouldn't have got the gig without mum.

But her mum got the gig - with the very same hair?

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