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Do you agree with the nurses strike?

686 replies

borderterrierr · 05/11/2022 20:10

Guardian reporting that the rcn strike has resulted in a yes vote and we'll be striking before Christmas.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/nurses-across-uk-vote-to-strike-in-first-ever-national-action?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Patient's emergency care will be protected but it's a strike vote

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happiertimes123 · 05/11/2022 20:54

Yes. I'm diabetic and chronically ill. My care is mostly managed by nurses and will be impacted and I very much support the strike. It is SO important that healthcare workers are treated fairly and paid well.

Manekinek0 · 05/11/2022 20:56

Yes. It's either something happens now or many NHS staff (not just nurses) will leave. A band 5 hourly rate is £13.84 an hour. You can make more more cleaning houses round here.

borderterrierr · 05/11/2022 20:58

Let me just add for clarity I am a nurse and I voted yes because the patients I treat are not receiving adequate treatment because everyone is leaving to become cleaners or work in Aldi got same money and less stress

OP posts:
Kitesk · 05/11/2022 20:59

Manekinek0 · 05/11/2022 20:56

Yes. It's either something happens now or many NHS staff (not just nurses) will leave. A band 5 hourly rate is £13.84 an hour. You can make more more cleaning houses round here.

Is that Top of band 5 hourly rate? What does a band 5 take home after tax?

chipshopElvis · 05/11/2022 20:59

100% nurses are not paid enough.

RosesAndHellebores · 05/11/2022 21:02

@Manekinek0 do those cleaners get sick pay, a pension, paid holiday, etc?

I'd love nurses to get more money. I'd also live the majority of nurses to be articulate, caring and sensible. Nursing is supposed to be a post graduate profession nowadays. In my experience the nurses, now in their mid 50s/early 60s, who provide excellent, knowledgeable and caring care, are not the ones who entered via graduate schemes let alone access courses.

The situation we find ourselves in is horrific. Money and post grads won't solve it though.

Mydogatemypurse · 05/11/2022 21:03

100% yes i agree

tiredwardsister · 05/11/2022 21:04

Ive tried to imagine what "working to rule" looks like.
In my trust I empty the bins, an exceedingly tedious task that takes about 40 mins to do I could stop doing this but who will do it instead, the rubbish will over flow and be an infection risk/a trip hazard. A colleague said we could stop calling SS , stop attending meetings with SS but again this would impact on the patients and their families, I get 30 mins for break in 13 hours, if I don't take its not because Im sitting around having a jolly its because I might be with a patients whos critically unwell or supporting a patient family whilst a doctor breaks bad news, I could stop doing my monthly 1-2-1's but they don't go away, I could refuse to go over the agreed number of patients on the ward but where do the patients go if my ward doesn't take them? There is a whole pile of admin shit I could not do particularly around staffing (or lack of staffing) but if staffing levels aren't constantly monitored on some shifts they simply wont be enough staff. I don't want to stay late but what do you do when insufficient staff or inexperienced staff turn up on the next shift and a patient is critically unwell? It's hard to just walk away. No overtime? But the NHS runs on nurses working more that 37.5 hours a week, we need the extra money it brings in and our colleagues need us on a shift.
I really don't know the answer.

Worriedddd · 05/11/2022 21:05

Nurses aren't respected in the UK compared to other western countries. More responsibility is being piled on without the pay. Students are expected to now be ready to sit the prescribing ready course after qualifying. 😱 The government have relied on good will for long. Nurses now pay for their own training so don't feel like they owe the NHS anything. This has been caused by successive governments. Nurses don't need to really strike in the traditional sense. Just refusing to work extra hours, leaving on time after handover. Taking your unpaid lunch break these little things have a huge effect as the government relies on the staffs good will.

Workyticket · 05/11/2022 21:06

100%
I teach GCSE Maths to adults so I meet a huge amount of Access to Nursing students

I'm always amazed that so many want yo go into the profession still

Amongst my co-horts I see a lot of over seas students who've been qualified doctors and nurses in their home countries but are having to work as carers here because of qualification mapping

There are people ready and wanting to work in the NHS - we need accelerated training programmes for those capable but lacking UK quals

Kudja · 05/11/2022 21:08

Having seen today the conditions they are working in and under, I couldn’t be more supportive of them. They are bloody amazing and treated like shit by the nhs and their patients (not all, but too many).

Shinyandnew1 · 05/11/2022 21:09

I support the nurses striking 100%. I hope all those posting in support will also support teacher/head teacher strikes if industrial action is balloted for in the coming weeks.

SouperNoodle · 05/11/2022 21:10

borderterrierr · 05/11/2022 20:10

Guardian reporting that the rcn strike has resulted in a yes vote and we'll be striking before Christmas.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/nurses-across-uk-vote-to-strike-in-first-ever-national-action?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Patient's emergency care will be protected but it's a strike vote

Yes I do.
My friend is a nurse and works 13 hour shifts with a single half hour break. They're meant to have 2 but she never has time for the second.

Moonshine86 · 05/11/2022 21:11

Yes I do. Let’s hope the government step up to ensure this doesn’t happen.

Singinghollybob · 05/11/2022 21:13

Yes 100%

lolalouisa84 · 05/11/2022 21:15

@Kitesk £10.54

RFPO77 · 05/11/2022 21:16

They've been left bo choice in unfortunately 😔

ohfourfoxache · 05/11/2022 21:16

Yes

happy to be questioned why

lolalouisa84 · 05/11/2022 21:16

@Kitesk 12.09 at top of band progression

tiredwardsister · 05/11/2022 21:17

How many of you saying you'd support us supported our junior doctors when they went o strike when Jeremy Hunt was the health secretary? The junior doctors were hounded by the media it was an absolute disgrace and received little support from Joe Public.

MabelMoo23 · 05/11/2022 21:18

Abso fucking lutely - I stand behind nurses striking and we all need to remember that the equal pay act came about because of women going on strike in 1968. A nurse should NOT be paid less than someone who works in Tesco

i will support anyone’s decision to strike

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/11/2022 21:18

I support the Nurses Strike.

BrendaHope · 05/11/2022 21:20

I wholeheartedly support the nurses in this.

Really brings it home when you look at the hourly rate and compare it to a cleaner's hourly rate.

tiredwardsister · 05/11/2022 21:21

Will you support is when you realise that to give us more money means taking it from somewhere else in the NHS. NHS Scotland has improved its offer but the money is being taken from areas like mental health services, public health.

Notwashingup · 05/11/2022 21:21

Yes 100%. It's shocking that nurses have been through the COVID pandemic and now are relying on food-banks or giving up their vocation to work at Aldi for better money. Nurses and all hospital staff should be on a decent wage.