Do you agree with the nurses strike?

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Guardian reporting that the rcn strike has resulted in a yes vote and we'll be striking before Christmas.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/nurses-across-uk-vote-to-strike-in-first-ever-national-action?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Patient's emergency care will be protected but it's a strike vote

@Discovereads

In that case lots of other professions are vastly overpaid

It begs the question, why are droves of nurses leaving a well paid job that has a great pension ?

Discovereads what is your profession ?

Well quite.

As I pointed out earlier, what you think they should be paid is meaningless. If their wage was worth it for the work they do, we would not have a staffing crisis. There are countless nurse vacancies because the job is not worth the salary they are offering.

In the meantime, billions are being spent on agency cover, sick pay due to stress and bullying plus trying to recruit nurses from abroad (who end up going back after our government have invested in them). We would not need any of this if the wage was worth it for the job they are asked to do

IF the workforce was well paid, why are they leaving? why is there a shortfall of 40k of nurses and over 110k total nhs vacancies?

Why are nurses using food banks?

Much like your 21 age thing, it doesn't stack up.

On the pension, yes its a good, no one can deny that but its doesn't pay the bills right now and staff pay up to 14.5% into it.

Why? Working conditions caused by chronic understaffing.

My Profession? Irrelevant

Nurses pay is comparatively shockingly low.
Although we do have a problem undervaluing certain roles in the Uk.

@Discovereads

Maybe you're one of the vastly over paid professions?

So, what do you think might have caused the understaffing?

Irrelevant what you think about whether it is well paid. If they can’t recruit the staff, then it’s not enough for the job.

Well it’s the nurses opinion that counts here - hence the vacancies.

Cross posted with noble.

Sone of these posts are so dogged - I’m reminded of that Simon Pegg drama

And chronic understaffing because .........????? Oh yes chronically understaffed because its a well paid job with a great pension ,........which makes absolutely NO sense.

Could it be that your reluctance to reveal your own job might reveal that a screaming hypocrisy could be revealed?

Absolutely I support the strike. I'm a specialist nurse on top band 5 pay (currently 32K max pay no matter how many years under your belt) It was a band 6 role but they reduced the banding before advertising the role. This is something thats been going on for years. I'm doing exacting the same job, actually I have more responsibility than the previous employee, for less money. It's a highly specialised role and carries a fair amount of responsibility and I have 30 years experience in the NHS.

Could it be that your reluctance to reveal your own job might reveal that a screaming hypocrisy could be revealed?
🤣 Not a chance of that.

I feel your pain. Retired specialist prescriber here.
From personal experience go to your union, irregardless of the newly posted rebanding of your role. Apply for a review of your job roles and responsibilities, write down everything you do, and submit it. It might take some time for the process to complete ... but do it. I rue the fact I didn't do it much sooner. Good luck.

...and you didn't answer why a well paid job with a great pension has a staffing crisis either. 😜

STTE but absolutely agree with them striking! Nursing in this country is a joke, expected to pay a fortune to qualify but then paid barely above minimum wage, don't know why anyone would do it tbh.

While I agree anecdotally some are leaving due to pay, the NHS is recruiting nurses faster than they are leaving. Nursing student numbers are increasing.

Why the understaffing? Well the NMC register says 45% of those who left the NMC cited things related to working conditions (18% pressure/stress, 13% workplace culture, 8% patient care quality, and 6% staffing levels). Another 42% of those who left the NMC (which is private and NHS) cited retirement as a reason. No mention of pay or pension, but perhaps that’s due to polite reserve.

These are the top 10 reasons given to the NMC for leaving the register:
43% = retired
22% = personal circumstance
18%= pressure / stress
13% = workplace culture
12% = left the UK
12% = Covid-19
10% = revalidation concerns
8% = patient care quality
6% = staffing levels
5% = other
www.nurses.co.uk/blog/stats-and-facts-uk-nursing-social-care-and-healthcare-2022/

After the last 1400 pay rise...my DD was very disappointed with her new take home pay, put her up a pension band and into the student loan repayment category, thanks to that sod Sunak and freezing thresholds again.... now the trust has also increased car parking charges... another 800 to 1200 gone.

Fortunately, she starts her new job in Australia in the spring, it ll be hard leaving such a well paid career with a brilliant pension in the UK but i'm sure she'll manage 😂

All of the nurses I know who are retiring are retiring earlier than they had previously planned

And again, reasons for people leaving is only half the story.

the NHS is recruiting nurses faster than they are leaving

😂

Nursing student numbers are increasing.

What are retention rates like? You can have millions of students and that doesn't mean it translates to big numbers completing the course and going on to work a full career.

you're looking in the wrong place, a lot of nurses leaving the NHS are not leaving the register. They are going into private, into education, into research, a lot into aesthetics, a lot stay on the register and bank to supplement their income and be able on stay on the register as hours of practice are required for revalidation. Leaving the NHS and leaving the register entirely are two massively different things.

I've picked English speaking countries as it's easier to pass the exams required to practice abroad than learn a new language in my opinion. Once UK salaries reach that of other countries we might get out of the recruitment crisis. However currently we are cutting pay and down banding roles which doesn't make people want to stay in the NHS or indeed the UK, we only stay because of family.

Average annual UK nurses salary £33,384
Average annual UK doctors salary £76300

Average annual nurses salary USA £66121 49% more than the UK
Average annual nurses salary USA £195658 38%more than the UK

Average annual nurses salary Australian £49082 32% more than the UK
Average annual nurses salary Australian £93612 19% more than the UK

Average annual nurses salary Canadian £53291 28% more than the UK
Average annual nurses salary Canadian £173381 56% more than the UK

What the unions are calling for is considerably less than these figures, maybe what they should be calling for is a review of agenda for change with international bench marking of salaries.

Exactly

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