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To think Rishi is right - the government cannot be everything to everyone?

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Cuppasoupmonster · 05/11/2022 19:39

Don’t get me wrong, the Tory government hasn’t tried to be anything let alone everything.

But I think he was right when he said there’s too much reliance on the state to provide for each and every issue the public face.

We could free up a lot of funds by taxing big corporations properly, cracking down on non doms etc. But even then, I’m not convinced the socialist utopia of generous benefits, a five star NHS, cheap and available high quality public housing, instant mental health support etc that is often discussed on here could ever be financially viable.

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Clavinova · 06/11/2022 23:56

AliensAteMyHomework
Which directly contradicted what many, many other MPs said in public repeatedly and widely publicised in televised interviews etc. As you well know.

No point quoting MPs from 2011, 2012, 2013 etc. if the referendum vote is 2016 - or is Keir Starmer sticking with Jeremy Corbyn's 2019 manifesto in the next general election?

people have debunked over and over again

Nonsense.

As everyone has repeatedly told you when you repost your spam over and over again for the last 6 years

For a start I didn't take much interest in Brexit until the summer of 2018 and I certainly didn't post any Brexit related stuff until mid 2018.

Hawkins001 · 07/11/2022 00:02

AliensAteMyHomework · 06/11/2022 23:49

So are we to believe all mps, are honest and factually correct ?

Where on Earth did you get this from? ConfusedConfused

"Which directly contradicted what many, many other MPs said in public repeatedly and widely publicised in televised interviews etc."

AliensAteMyHomework · 07/11/2022 00:07

In what way does that imply everyone should believe all MPs? How does that even make any sense when the entire point that I was making is that they contradicted each other in public repeatedly, so by definition it was impossible for all of them to be telling the truth? Hence Clavinova's posts (as always) were misleading.

How did you get from that to believing I am saying MPs tell the truth? I'm honestly baffled. Confused Unless you got confused and meant to direct your post at Clavinova?

AliensAteMyHomework · 07/11/2022 00:16

Clavinova · 06/11/2022 23:56

AliensAteMyHomework
Which directly contradicted what many, many other MPs said in public repeatedly and widely publicised in televised interviews etc. As you well know.

No point quoting MPs from 2011, 2012, 2013 etc. if the referendum vote is 2016 - or is Keir Starmer sticking with Jeremy Corbyn's 2019 manifesto in the next general election?

people have debunked over and over again

Nonsense.

As everyone has repeatedly told you when you repost your spam over and over again for the last 6 years

For a start I didn't take much interest in Brexit until the summer of 2018 and I certainly didn't post any Brexit related stuff until mid 2018.

You are right, it is indeed nonsense that you post. Your nonsense been debunked so many times that I'm amazed you're not embarrassed to continue with it. That's why nobody can be bothered to go through your arguments one by one and disprove them to you yet again for the 1,000,000th time because you still don't seem to be able to understand facts.

I shall not respond to you again on this thread or any other.

Hawkins001 · 07/11/2022 00:29

AliensAteMyHomework · 07/11/2022 00:07

In what way does that imply everyone should believe all MPs? How does that even make any sense when the entire point that I was making is that they contradicted each other in public repeatedly, so by definition it was impossible for all of them to be telling the truth? Hence Clavinova's posts (as always) were misleading.

How did you get from that to believing I am saying MPs tell the truth? I'm honestly baffled. Confused Unless you got confused and meant to direct your post at Clavinova?

Selective analysis and ended up confusing myself based on not fully analysing both of your perspectives

AliensAteMyHomework · 07/11/2022 03:25

Thank you for admitting that.

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