To think Rishi is right - the government cannot be everything to everyone?

[Cuppasoupmonster]

Don’t get me wrong, the Tory government hasn’t tried to be anything let alone everything.

But I think he was right when he said there’s too much reliance on the state to provide for each and every issue the public face.

We could free up a lot of funds by taxing big corporations properly, cracking down on non doms etc. But even then, I’m not convinced the socialist utopia of generous benefits, a five star NHS, cheap and available high quality public housing, instant mental health support etc that is often discussed on here could ever be financially viable.

AIBU?

Indeed. It didn't have to involve leaving the single market, for example. In fact many prominent Brexiteers were very vocal in saying that of course nobody was suggesting any such thing because that would be madness.

So when will they sort that out?

I think it will be a long time until we can repair our relationship with the EU.

Tbh, politics is so weird in the UK now it's hard to imagine who could do this. The Conservatives look finished to me, and will just stumble on into a recession.

I had to explain to my 5 year old recently what our Government had done the last few years. He understood it. He was also very cross.

So I do fail to see how any adult with normal mental capacity cannot grasp it.

Not just any recession: the longest one record (proper records being ~200 years).

Slow hand clap for the Brexit nutters.

AliensAteMyHomework
Oh God you again with your spam. Will you just bore off? Everyone's bored of it, and has been for years

Bad luck.
Did you intend to copy all of my post - not really necessary was it?

And yet they will complain, to those who didn't vote for this. And expect sympathy. Mind boggling.

@AliensAteMyHomework why did you have to? Did you tell him all this while ordering his free school meal?

I didn't copy it. I used the quote function.

As usual, as you know, it was nonsense.

Because he is curious about the world and how everything works and he asks me questions and I answer them honestly (in an age appropriate way). I don't believe he should be denied honest answers to his questions.

And no, he does not get free school meals. 🙄

AliensAteMyHomework
Indeed. It didn't have to involve leaving the single market, for example. In fact many prominent Brexiteers were very vocal in saying that of course nobody was suggesting any such thing because that would be madness.

8 May 2016 — Britain will quit Europe's single market if the country votes to leave the EU, [says] Michael Gove, the Leave campaign's most senior figure...

22 Feb 2016
Leader of the UK Independence Party Nigel Farage has said that he doesn't want the United Kingdom to be a part of the the European Single Market

www.cityam.com/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-single-market/

Owen Paterson: 'Dear Jeremy, please stop misquoting me'

www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/03/14/owen-paterson-dear-jeremy-please-stop-misquoting-me/

Hansard (Pre) Referendum Debate Wednesday 15 June 2016

Nigel Adams
(Selby and Ainsty) (Con)
Q14. I congratulate my right hon. Friend on honouring our manifesto pledge and delivering this historic referendum. Unfortunately, however, we have heard some hysterical scaremongering during the debate, and there are those in this House and the other place who believe that if the British people decide to leave the EU, there should be a second referendum. Will he assure the House and the country that, whatever the result on 24 June, his Government will carry out the wishes of the British people—if the vote is to remain, we remain, but if it is to leave, which I hope it is, we leave?

The Prime Minister [David Cameron]

I am very happy to agree with my hon. Friend. “In” means we remain in a reformed EU; “out” means we come out. As the leave campaigners and others have said, “out” means out of the EU, out of the European single market, out of the Council of Ministers—out of all those things...

Quite a few MPs obviously suffered some memory loss after the vote -Theresa May didn't get her 'red lines' out of nowhere.

Isn't that the same with most main stream newspapers and commentators, as it's all mostly analysis, = their perspectives, with more knowledge than me, but still basically educated analysis on what ifs ?

I guess to achieve the goals of one world government, if such a feat can be achieved, I guess we will have to rejoin one block or another etc

Dramatic rise in child poverty in the last five years:
www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2021/may/dramatic-rise-in-child-poverty/

Poverty rate among working households in UK is highest ever:
www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/26/poverty-rate-among-working-households-in-uk-is-highest-ever

UK is only G7 country with smaller economy than before Covid-19
www.ft.com/content/4edae69b-c82d-49fb-ae5a-03d14ca8caa6

The UK will have the slowest growth of the G7 economies next year:
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-26/uk-economy-will-have-slowest-growth-in-g7-next-year-imf-says

No matter what, Clavinova is still trying to convince us all that we have never had it so good.

Havanananana
Even with this decline in trade, the German economy is in a far better state than the UK

14 Oct 2022
Economists say Germany is poised for recession next year. The International Monetary Fund predicts it could suffer the worst hit among major economies other than Russia.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/14/germany-economy-recession-energy-exports/

24 Oct 2022
In order to tackle rising energy prices, a quarter of German companies revealed in a new survey that they planned to cut jobs, among other cost saving measures.

www.thelocal.de/20221024/energy-crisis-quarter-of-german-companies-plan-to-cut-jobs/

JohnStuartMill
The UK will have the slowest growth of the G7 economies next year

That was July's forecast - currently it's Germany and Italy;

www.dw.com/en/imf-says-germany-and-italy-to-slip-into-recession-in-2023/a-63405441

Isn't that the same with most main stream newspapers and commentators, as it's all mostly analysis, = their perspectives, with more knowledge than me, but still basically educated analysis on what ifs ?

Economic data exists. It is possible to track effects from different causes and analyse them. This is what many people do as a profession. It isn't just someone's opinion. Forecasts are to a certain extent "what ifs". Analysis of what has actually happened is not.

Name one other large economy which instead of joining the trade block on its doorstep has joined another in another continent, with totally different legal systems, business norms, and much more limiting physical ability to trade plus higher shipping costs, etc?

Clue: none.

In July the UK apparently had £30bn of headroom and now it has a £50bn deficit per October. £80bn (annual and compounding) additional fuckup in the space of 3 months. Care to ask your beloved Tories why?

Havanananana
The Japan deal that was the same as the EU-Japan deal (except for some cheese

Not the same deal for financial services;

www.cityam.com/finance-not-fish-the-trade-deal-with-japan-focuses-on-what-matters-for-the-city/
www.gov.uk/government/publications/inaugural-uk-japan-financial-regulatory-forum/uk-japan-financial-regulatory-forum-2022-joint-statement

6 Nov 2022
Japan and Britain are expected to agree to a major new defence pact in December, a report said Sunday, as the two countries look to boost cooperation with mutual ally the U.S. amid concerns over China’s growing assertiveness

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/11/06/national/britain-japan-defense-pact/

Which directly contradicted what many, many other MPs said in public repeatedly and eidely publicised in televised interviews etc. As you well know. As everyone has repeatedly told you when you repost your spam over and over again for the last 6 years. Same old crap over and over again which people have debunked over and over again. It's boring, and nobody believes your nonsense because everybody has already disproved all of your selective quotes and can't be bothered to keep repeating why you're wrong because you already know that, anyway. You're just trying to mislead yet more gullible people, again. 🥱🥱

I believe the theory is, all the main trading blocks will eventually unite as one,

So are we to believe all mps, are honest and factually correct ?

I believe the theory is, all the main trading blocks will eventually unite as one

Is it? Whose theory is that then? 🤔🙄

So are we to believe all mps, are honest and factually correct ?

Where on Earth did you get this from?