Mexican-themed NYE party - racist, right?

[BobLobla]

Just been invited by very good friends to their NYE party which promises to have a Mexican theme and everyone must wear a long droopy moustache and a sombrero. Already I am cringing as I think this is pretty racist. Don't think I’ll go… but do I say something privately to my friends about the fact that this seems really off? Do I just dip out and not say anything to avoid awkwardness?

You have never heard of any Irish people disliking the wigs, the silly paddy outfits the slurs oh silly me I mean jokes made about them all just for a laugh

really I’ve heard many

it’s a choice not to offend not not want to cause harm, mock or degrade others it’s not a choice to feel degraded, offended or mocked it’s a response to peoples actions. It wasn’t that that long ago blackface was considered hilarious so much so you would regularly see blackface acts on tv

Actually a lot of Irish people are annoyed by their culture being portrayed by outsiders using demeaning leprechauns-and-drunks stereotypes.

let’s totally ignore what elp30 posted because it’s our choice if someone is offended or not 🙄

Yeah, an american with Mexican heritage is why actual mexicans reject the 'latinx' and are generally not offended by parties where people dress up as stereotypical mexicans serving stereotypical mexican food, generally are more conservative and are now being disowned by the American left as not conforming, pretty much how the arguments about Rishi being non white etc in the UK.

The IDPOL stack is falling apart after the 'left' expected them to vote on mass as a block, the real mexicans are more concerned about the Narco gang wars killing families rather than white people dressing in fake moustaches eating the a bastardised dish of mexican food.

You could take this thread over to any mexican sub on reddit, the only people complaining about it being offensive would be Americans, a lot of people would be seriously alarmed at what some real mexicans actually think.

If MN didn't think you can be racist towards white people, they would be shocked at a couple of what my Mexican collegues turned up to at halloween, and non of them even made a comment on the white men dressed up in atypical lazy poncho and big moustache with fake bags of drugs and a severed head.

The people complaining are so far detached to what is actually happening that it's going to be a shock to them when their 'world view' doesn't actually meet reality

Most in fact. But we have British people here saying its fine, so thats us told.

Most in fact. But we have British people here saying its fine, so thats us told.

Ironic how you ignore/absolve Americans and make a thread about Mexicans about yourselves...

Shhhh, your not supposed to make that link :)

It's not a thread about Mexicans, you dope. Unsurprising you don't actually know what it is about though, you wouldn't find the point with two hands and a map.

Get a grip.Nobody has any intention of upsetting anyone from any country.ffs.

Racism an/or offensive stereotyping and cultural appropriation is ok as you long as you don't intend to upset anyone.

Nope. Try again.

But intentions do matter?
I was reading the wokerati Bible earlier on the difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation. Apparently, intention is key. If the intention is to mock and denigrate or take and make money off it, then it’s cultural appropriation. If the intention is to express appreciation and do a homage, then it’s cultural appreciation which is not only acceptable but encouraged.

Is a Mexican themed party appropriation or appreciation? How can we judge intention without mind reading?

Christ. "I meat well" isn't an excuse. If you wear blackface but honestly thought you were just "expressing appreciation", would that be just fine?
I think you know it would not.

If the intention is to mock and denigrate or take and make money off it, then it’s cultural appropriation. If the intention is to express appreciation and do a homage, then it’s cultural appreciation which is not only acceptable but encouraged

Well there you have me. I still haven't voted as I'm not certain how much a party in suburban England would affect Mexicans, but using your own definition, the intention in this case is obviously mocking, because it's been well over a hundred years since Mexicans have gone around with sombreros and moustaches.

Might help if you actually got the definition right...

Oxford Dictionaries defines cultural appropriation as “the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of the customs, practices, ideas, etc. of one people or society by members of another and typically more dominant people or society.

Arayes you're very concerned with not causing cultural offense but you're pretty confortable with being very insulting to individuals.

I am, yes. Did your have a point?

I am, yes. Did your have a point?

You just proved it.

Was your point that you don;t know what the discussion is about and you're terribly confused? Because I definitely proved that.

There are still areas in the uk where you do not see many if any Asian or black people

im quite sure of someone posted on here I’m invited to the local village party we have been told to wear saris, a bindi and brown up or we have been told it’s black face make sure you black up we are all white so no one will be offended the vast majority would say that is offensive

but let’s face it some still would support it because it’s just for a laugh and it’s not there problem if people take offence to a bit of fun

Unless it’s celebrating their rich history and the costume is actually that of their freedom fighters when they fought for independence from Spain?

I was paraphrasing as you well know. I note the definition you posted doesn’t list clothing though? 🤔

Blackface isn’t Cultural though is it? It’s biology, that’s what makes it offensive. Cultural face paint would be like putting blue woad or red ochre on your face.

Imagine being so racist you would willingly risk your job in this economy to stereotype people. That’s the thing I don’t get! You’ve heard how people on benefits are going hungry and you want to upset people more than you want to avoid that for you and your family. “Can’t say nothing these days haha” will not pay for Christmas. Your gen z neighbour won’t care you’re too stupid to know why people are upset, they will post you online and I’ve seen Twitter find people within 48 hours! Party on a Saturday and find out getting fired means a 3 month benefit sanction by Friday. Even racists have a sense of self-preservation no???

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