Rough' tax rises on the way

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What does this even mean? I can't take much more. Not with the rising energy prices and the absolute mess up of the mortgage interest rates rising.

How will people survive? Already we have not had pay rises and now we will all probably be taxed more.

I feel at the end of my tether. It's really affecting my mental health.

Look, you clearly don’t understand how productivity lag happens. Please learn this stuff first.

Neither do you quite obviously.

I can’t believe people are falling for Sunak’s BS reason for putting up taxes. In no way is it to plug the gap left by the mini-budget alone. The billions lost in the mini budget are about the same as Sunak write off on furlough and PPE fraud which he seemed very relaxed about at the time.

The tax rises are because he and his mates have stolen tax payers money and now us same tax payers are being made to make up the short till. This is so they can rob us again in a few years.

I’m sick of every new Tory PM pointing at the last Tory PM and claiming it was all their fault when they were all in this together for the last 12 years and then telling us we have to fix their mess.

Why are people falling for this long con?

Death within 28 days of a positive covid test result, when that death was (for example) caused by fatal injuries sustained in a car crash - or - with a friend who died of a stroke (2 weeks after recovering from Covid in a nursing home) were recorded by the Government in their daily Covid numbers. My friend died of her stroke! She didn’t die of covid, but her death bumped up the government figures nonetheless.

This means that Covid didn’t kill 200k people in the UK.

It means that 200k people died within 28 days of a positive covid test and all of them were recorded in those numbers even if Covid was not the cause of death.

the below link explains

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathssolelyfromcovid19ratherthandeathswithin28daysofapositivetest

They definitely seem to see it as a game. It’s interesting that there are so many sensible suggestions for dealing with the deficit in painless ways. Has anyone mentioned axing HS2 yet?

The doctor or coroner certifying a death can record more than one health condition or event on the form. The medical certificate of cause of death has two parts, Part 1 contains the sequence of health conditions or events leading directly to death, while Part 2 can contain other health conditions that contributed to the death but were not part of the direct sequence

yes and your point is?

You only had to look on here to see that demand, it was relentless, and no suggestions of financial impact later.

Central government have bamboozled the taxpayer.
I want a whole new political system. I don’t mind paying taxes but I want to pay it to a local government where I actually see the results and some accountability.

I think we are witnessing the decline of Western centralised democracies. We all need to be more involved in politics and locally so we see the results of our hard earned cash being spent. We also need more competent politicians. Local is better as people actually know those in charge - rather than some media fabric.

The Tories have pissed up billions of our cash throwing it at one crisis to the next.

Maybe we are arguing at cross purposes. I don’t think a doctor would put covid on a death certificate if it had no link.

I remember this being explained quite elegantly by a medical professional who said what is on the death certificate is related to the condition that causes the death as it can be complicated.

@Aleaiactaest could not agree with you more!!

The system needs torn down and rebuilt. It's fat and bloated and not fit for purpose. Democracy needs to be returned to local people who actually give a shit about their communities and neighbours.

Yes.

The biggest problem, hidden in plain sight, is the rise of financial services. We don’t see it, so it’s hard to fully understand but it acts as a huge extractor of money via loans, PFI schemes, quantitative easing etc, and we are losing out.

It was a novel virus! Honestly. Maybe if our government has spoken to eastern Asian countries about how to manage SARS instead of trying to DIY, we could have had a more measured approach.

These people think Truss’ 4 weeks in power caused this

That mini budget created a £30 billion black hole. Did you not see the markets’ behaviour from 23 September?

@MarshaBradyo - people did indeed demand the lockdowns because every other country seemed to be doing it. The politicians had no choice but to lockdown in those circumstances. In reality, English lockdown and restrictions were not that stringent when compared to many other countries.

Most recently the government are giving everyone £400 off their energy bills. Again, another policy provided on demand and after lots of protesting in the press etc. Government will get extra oil tax money etc anyway… Those big energy companies are making a bomb - hopefully some will translate into extra taxes/higher returns for pension funds.
In reality, many of our grandparents survived just fine without Central Heating. We are just too used to it.

I am OK with a decline in my living standards overall but I think we should be making up for it somehow so we do not end up with massively depressed, overstressed population. How can life be made better for the many with less money? The only answer seems to be community spirit, kindness towards each other, appreciation of small things, less materialism, more value for what we do have etc. But how do we get there after 50 years of a golden era when we all got spoiled?

You make a good point here. My cousin volunteers at a food bank and is constantly surprised at the amount of women who come in for food parcels with nails, hair extensions fake tans etc but can't feed their kids.
Anyone daring to point this things out will swiftly have there arse handed to them. ( including me, no doubt) 😉😉

Wow, I guess I have to push back me having a baby nearer my 40th birthday, because no way in the world I can cover drop in income with these rising prices and taxes...

Anyone else think that they are putting out all these stories about how bad the tax rises are gunna be then when they aren’t quite as bad we will all be grateful

@Aleaiactaest @ifonly4 @Georgeskitchen @somethinsomethin

Agree with you. I can’t hear anyone around me saying similar though. I think mainstream media / popular opinion is that the money is out there and we should increase taxes and continue the same.

Where exactly have I said it was the Truss leadership was the only thing that has lead the the current financial situation?
Seems you're the clueless one.

I genuinely don't understand how Mr Sunak cannot go to the companies that HE signed the cheques for, who offered to deliver PPE equipment and didn't, and ask for the money back under the threat that they took the money fraudulently.

£37 BILLION was wasted. We cannot simply forget that. £37 BILLION.

Even if they only got back 10% of that money, that would go a HUGE way to recouping the debt.

Sunak knows the companies that promised to deliver stuff and didn't. He has the audit trail of who he signed the cheques to. The fact that the government aren't making this a priority, and the fact that the media aren't calling for it either, shows a staggering level of fraudulent complicity as well as sheer incompetence.

You get chancers at every level of society. Look at Boris the sponger!

but be careful at making judgements - walk a mile and all that.

Yes that’s how they always play it. Prep you for the worst case scenario so that when they leave you worse off, you think oh that’s wasn’t so bad.

When dad died of cancer one of the first things I got asked by the Dr who signed his death certificate was "has he tested positive for covid within the last 28 days?" When I repleid that he hadn't and why did the GP want to know, the answer I got was "because it needs to go on the certificate that he had covid".

So even though it was cancer that got him, had dad been positive for covid , his death will have been included in the "covid deaths" stats. So not bullshit.

Was it in Part 1 or 2 of the certificate linked to his cause of death? That’s the point I think is getting muddled.

£37bn was test and trace only.