To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

[JudesBiggestFan]

But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

Why did the the UK turn down Frances’s offer to run a processing centre in France to process asylum seekers wanting to come to the UK? That would have helped but the UK govt weren’t interested for some reason?

Yes you are right

Ooh would they still have come regardless of whether their application was approved or not?

There have been one or two suggestions made but MN HQ removed the postings......🤐

Even factoring in population density, the UK is still not near the top of the list. Belgium, the Netherlands, Malta all have higher population densities and have more asylum applications per capita. Germany, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg all have similar population densities and a much higher number of asylum applications per capita.

What other factors do you think should be included? Maybe GDP? In which case the UK certainly doesn't have its fair share.

Or maybe they want to ensure that they’ve done as many checks as possible on asylum seekers, many of whom have arrived with no form of identification. Many asylum seekers are from Syria and Afghanistan. Better to to all checks possible to be sure of identification, than to possibly give asylum to a terrorist?

You are joking whizz

So overcrowded here

Not joking. You can easily look up population density of European countries. UK is 8th, but does not have a greatly different population density to Germany in 11th which takes in vastly more asylum seekers. Belgium is far more densely populated than the UK but has a higher number of asylum applications per capita.

Yes, because if that’s your response, you need to be seeking some kind of mental health support rather than posting a literal hate crime on a parenting forum.

To balance the scales somewhat, I’m donating again! 😁 For every hateful post, a refugee charity of my choice receives a much-needed donation. Asylum seekers will never, ever see what you post on mumsnet, but they will feel the benefit of the donations. So please stop being sociopaths because there’s a cost of living crisis and I would quite like to eat this month 😁

So please stop being sociopaths because there’s a cost of living crisis and I would quite like to eat this month 😁

So would millions of us struggling with the current climate.

We desperately need the Rwanda scheme up and running as soon as possible. This will be the only real deterrent.
As one plane takes off, another should land on the runway ( and so on and so forth).
Laws need to be changed and tightened. If we need to leave some outdated treaty or other which is allowing human rights lawyers to enable this, then so be it. Other European countries will quickly follow suit.
What has happened to this country in my lifetime has been a disgrace.

But don't we have to have people from Rwanda instead

Wish we could sort out who was already here without the constant of even more people arriving

Government chasing its tail and it is unsustainable

Rejoining the EU would help. It is no coincidence this has got massively worse since we flounced out of the Dublin Agreement (which used to allow us to send failed applicants back to the safe country they left.

How would the Rwanda scheme limit migration when people can come to the UK and disappear?

Migration across and into Europe has always happened, do you also think that Sunak, Patel and Braverman should n't be here as their parents should have been shipped out as soon as they arrived?

We should be processing claims quicker
We should allow people to work whilst they are waiting for a decision
We should stop supporting / selling weapons to the regimes that are forcing these people to leave their homes
We should have a legal route for people wishing to come here

and we should rejoin the EU

Totally, we had a legal means to return failed migrants, whether we did or not is not the point, everyone knew we could, now we can't and everyone knows that too.

Brexitiers/idiots will deny this of course.

The Asians were invited to come from Uganda so it is different

They didn't just rock up

But then we'd have all the Eastern Europeans as well?

Agree with all of the above.

It is entirely possible that they are both illegal immigrants and claiming asylum. Your phrase 'asylum seekers' assumes if they utter this magic phrase they are not illegal immigrants. When they can be both. Some will be successful in claiming asylum. Some will abscond from the hotel before their claims are assessed. Some will be turned down and then abscond. Some will be turned down and no-one will do anything to remove them.

Don't set up strawmen and false definitions and then claim you are on the right side in some kind of 'ignorant twat' olympics. this kind of stupidity is what causes the debate to be so toxic.

It is right to be concerned about the people in the detention centres and the conditions.

It is right to be concerned about people entering this country illegally from the extremely safe EU.

It is right to be concerned about people drowning in the English channel.

It is right to be concerned about those in refugee camps, who are more likely to be women, children, families, the sick and the old, who can't get here illegally and are perhaps more likely to be eligible for our help.

It is right to be concerned about criminals gaming the system.

It is wrong to demonise people who are concerned about the enormous numbers involved.

Never going to happen. It was tried by Denmark and Australia and both abandoned it as too expensive and they got too much flak for breaking international law.

So only those invited can stay here and everyone else shipped out?

It was a different time

And what’s the problem with that ??