To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

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But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

‘Rampant misandry’ 🙄

Why are people so full of it on these threads… it’s irritating. No wonder people just disengage.

So if someone asks why men are paying thousands - what are they promised in return. Also the idea that care home vacancies can be filled with men with no checks is fanciful. Lastly there’s a reason we’re more likely to help women and children too, in our own homes ie Ukrainians.

The labour market looks like it could use workers - this is in a country that is not at war. So why not look at what is being offered here that is apparently better than a job there.

Fewer documents than by lorry? Which has decreased

Also how do they do the checks if no documents

Because the Chinese HKers are better educated and wealthier. It’s not a secret or some hidden conspiracy. Literally every immigration system in the world is geared towards attracting educated, wealthy migrants. So they can pay taxes for you to spend on your moral outrages.

To be honest, if there is going to be an illegal unskilled migration problem, the best kind of migrants are young men. The economy needs jobs to be filled. Just in pure math alone, young men are less likely to need to use services and be more productive. Compared to women, children or elderly migrants.

But the government is so utterly incompetent that not only are they unable to stem the numbers, they aren’t able to get the most out of the new arrivals.

What’s being “offered” here is or ends up being trafficking and modern slavery. The UK is targeted as its anti-slavery protections are lax.

What are they offered ie told they will get as they hand over thousands… as you say the reality is what it ends up as. I doubt that is what is offered to them originally otherwise it would be a no.

There are jobs in Albania, they are not fleeing war, so is it bogus examples of what other people get. If they knew the reality they wouldn’t come

I agree if they knew the reality they wouldn’t come. Apologies if I’m wrong but I wonder if the butting of heads here is over the meaning of trafficking? The victims aren’t “choosing” these jobs. In my long post above, it points out how Albania is facing increased destitution now. People (men and women both) are desperate for jobs/money. The traffickers take advantage of this and trick people into “jobs”. This probably explains it better than me:

“What trafficking really means is girls groomed and forced into sexual exploitation; men tricked into accepting risky job offers and trapped in forced labour in building sites, farms or factories; and women recruited to work in private homes only to be trapped, exploited and abused behind closed doors with no way out.”

“How do people get entangled in trafficking?

People trapped by traffickers are mostly trying to escape poverty or discrimination, improve their lives and support their families.

Vulnerable people are often forced to take unimaginable risks to try and escape poverty or persecution, accepting precarious job offers and making hazardous migration decisions, often borrowing money from their traffickers in advance.

When they arrive they find that the work does not exist, or conditions are completely different. They become trapped, reliant on their traffickers and extremely vulnerable. Their documents are often taken away and they are forced to work until their debt is paid off.”
www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/human-trafficking/

Apologies though if I’m way off the target and I’m just boring you to tears! :)

I can’t pretend to know Albania in an instance but young people leaving seems to be causing issues with labour shortages

’It is estimated by local experts that the labor market in Albania is at an emergency for employees, in almost all sectors. High emigration trends are expected to create worrying labor shortages for all types of professions by 2030, according to a recent study by the European Training Foundation. The study notes that the countries of the Western Balkans, but especially Albania, will face a labor market crisis, which is being created specifically by the high emigration of young people.’

’the sectors that need employees are factories and the service sector, which mainly require fewer workers’ skillset.’

’However, the country’s economy needs about 45 thousand additional employees this year, mainly in production, call centers, construction, and tourism’

Ok maybe wages are too low and something about the U.K.is promising in theory and people traffickers are able to somehow offer something more enticing than a job outlined above. Albania needs workers, I’m sure they have their own issues to sort out but they need the unskilled young people who are leaving.

They do. And those young people are desperate for jobs. They (not all, but the ones who are trafficked) apply for what looks like a legit job, and are instead tricked into forced labour by:

”employers” (actually organised crime gang) withholding wages
”employers” withholding documents (passport for eg)
”employers” threatening worker/worker’s family
“employers” saying “sure you could earn £20 a day here, but come over to the UK, we’ll get you in on a job and you’ll be making £100s a day.” They get to the UK but instead of a job end up in forced labour.

Trafficking is exacerbating the labour shortage.

If we can understand that women don’t choose to be trafficked into prostitution, then we can also understand that men don’t choose to be trafficked into forced labour.

They have their ways. Mostly biometrics. There is international data sharing of biometrics. It’s just long and like a needle in a million haystacks to confirm without a doubt that person X is so and so.

@MarshaBradyo and @BewareTheLibrarians

In the case of Albania it’s not usually a carrot that the human traffickers use, it’s a stick. The Albanian mafia (the same organised crime Albanians here in the U.K.) traffic workers here by threatening them and/or their families. The young men are told we will take your sister and put her to work in a brothel and burn your parents home down while they’re in it unless you agree to go to the U.K. and work on a fruit farm. Young women are told similar, your family will die…if it’s young mothers it’s often their children that are targeted…come to U.K. and work as a carer or cleaner. They look up on internet and see, oh U.K. has a shortage so it’s plausible that’s the job I’d be working. You’ll get money to send home to your family….or to pay off debts you owe the mafia (they’re very good at creating debts…retroactive protection money for your fathers taxi business eg) they say and no one gets hurt, we will keep an eye on your family for you (this is a threat). They just have to do the channel crossing claim asylum, get housed in a hotel and then sneak off. After they do this, then the men find out the fruit farm is a cannabis farm and the women find out the carer/cleaner job includes being that plus being raped every day or just being raped. And they can’t tell their family, because if they do the mafia will kill them, meanwhile their family thinks they’ve abandoned them for a better life in the U.K…and are ungrateful because they dont send money back to them like they said when they left.

These young men come with very different cultural codes.
I do fear for our young women.

Where do they apply for a “legit” job?

If they apply for any job, without having a work visa, then the job cannot be legit, and surely they are aware of this?

It's a bloody mess, millions being spent daily to accommodate in hotels when the country is on its knees with with a cost of living crisis.

‘They look up on the internet and think ok there is a shortage’

Ok this is where an intercept could be. They need information and have access to the internet. It equally could be a site that details the horrors of what they’ll find instead of there’s a shortage of cleaners in the U.K. etc so must be plausible.

A couple of other things I’m wondering
if they get intercepted by border force and end up in accommodation how many are ending up in farms and how?

Where are they when the mafia threaten them. At work, is it their boss?

It sounds a tough model to break. But doing all the work over here at trying to stem the numbers is going to be very hard. Making people aware that it’s not easy nice jobs that’ll they’ll be doing might help.

My local authority is going to overspend on homelessness this year by £1.5m. This money will back to come from council reserves and ongoing from other cuts in services and increases in council tax. Yet the government can pay £150 night for hotels for Albanians who are from a safe country. It’s madness and completely unfair when pensioners get £800 a month. Something has to be done.

@IneedanewTV what though ?! Any discussion on it is shut down as being racist. It's a bloody disgrace.

Nonsense, not all are not wealthy or particularly better educated, they are often the elderly parents of people already here.
Younger ones are bring their children here, with no extra funding for school places GP 's etc etc.

Do you think the UK has capacity for (up to) another 5m people? Govt est is 500k in total but so far, 140k have applied for citizenship.

@Discovereads the law was changed to allow them to come here and claim citizenship and BNO was extended to increase numbers.

I don't know why you are pretending it wasn't.

Reading a news report yesterday that 80pc of Albanians were granted asylum- most were trafficked women.

Can you link?

I thought the issue was with trafficked men too. Nearly 90 percent in the boats are male. Where are they from? Why such a big increase to 40k if not Albanian trafficking

The immigration debate is a brilliant example of government divide and conquer tactics.

Even if we stopped every single person entering the UK illegally there would be no material difference to the average person's life. We wouldn't suddenly all have instant access to doctors and dentists or find public services.

There's several actions the government could take if they were serious about addressing the issue. But it serves them much better to have the plebs arguing amongst themselves over how we treat some of the poorest and most vulnerable people in the world than it does to have us holding them to account for their ineptitude.

It also serves to show just how easily manipulated people can be. This thread was started the day before Braverman's "invasion" speech. There's barely a mention of Albanians in the first 20-25 pages, then Suella has her say and suddenly it's all about the Albanians, they're the root cause of the current crisis and everyone's a subject expert on this niche area of immigration/crime. Strange that.

It’s Apple news link from independent

apple.news/Ad5iBE1X_QfSmWHg86J5tjA

“Analysis from the Oxford Migration Observatory reveals that 86 per cent of Albanians who received positive decisions on asylum applications in the year ending June 2022 were women, whose leave to remain was granted on the basis that they were likely to have been trafficked and in genuine need of protection.”

@MarshaBradyo
sorry I forgot to link you

Ok thanks

Also in there
Last week at a home affairs select committee hearing, the small boats commander Dan O’Mahoney described an “exponential” rise in small boat arrivals from Albania, with more than 12,000 people this year, including 10,000 single men.

So many women are granted asylum but what is happening with the men who make up the largest number? May have missed what happens will see if it’s on there