To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

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But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

Is Kent as a County taking the lions share of the financial burden ? Does it get given any additional funding as a result ?

Howmany of the issues facing the residents of Kent as a direct result of the Channel crossings and how many are also being faced by residents in other counties due to austerity measures and cutbacks to local government ? So increases in council tax due to cuts to LA budgets, cuts meaning reduction in LA services across the board, are being faced by all residents in all councils.

Enabling remote asylum application would massively reduce the pressure on hotel accommodation as the applicant would not need housing during the process (which should take 16 weeks but currently takes at least 18 months). The applicant would not even be in the UK until asylum was granted, when they could arrive in a safe manner. Remote applications would allow time to arrange suitable employment and non-emergency housing for the refugee's arrival and would be safer for children, women and the elderly or disabled than the current shambles system.

It was Blair’s gov which did not put limits on Eastern Europeans entering U.K. like the other eu countries did - so 300,000 per year - a million more to house every 3 years. The numbers have dropped but not by much.

Apart from Kent overflowing the reason we keep getting a Tory Gov is because they are more likely to be strict on immigration - but there is a chance we might get a more right wing gov if things aren’t improved. For the first time Sweden has a right to far right Gov,
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62908902.amp

We could easily go this way.

Do you know why this type of remote asylum application isn't being considered @InMySpareTime ?

I assume the pp had worked with them before their medical assessments and noticed that they (or some of them) looked older than they claimed?

Where would they live whilst waiting for the remote application? Most, we are being told are fleeing from war zones, so they can’t stay there. Would we end up with huge asylum camps in France again? I really can’t see these young men, sending an application off and waiting 12 weeks.

Enlightened progressives can feel all warm and fuzzy telling others about how everyone else is bigoted for calling these people illegal immigrants. But how does that help with the simmering resentment in the communities where overwhelming number of arrivals are being housed. Serious question. Forget about the morality of whether the resentment is justified or not. It’s there.

Oh yes, like some genius said upthread, the government needs to spend more on housing migrants. Yes, what a great idea. Ask people who are already not happy about the situation to pay more towards it.

The issue with the patronising left is that they live in cloud cuckooland where reality doesn’t count. You can just spend your way out of a problem or just lecture others that they are being bigoted.

This is why you get events like the petrol bomb attack.

The Windrush generation...treated as equals?
Do you have any idea how they were treated when they were asked to come here 'for their Queen' to help rebuild England?
And then how they were treated again recently?

I think this thread is a good example as to why the people of Kent voted Brexit.

Well more fool them as Brexit has resulted in more people arriving by boat in Kent.

Typo - I of course meant haven’t been treated equally.

@BirmaBrite see PPs for why the current "hostile environment" narrative doesn't fit with enabling remote asylum applications.
Govt have pushed the Control Our Borders so far that they removed all legal routes to claim asylum except to arrive personally in the UK.
Then they were surprised that so many people arrived "illegally" (ie the only remaining way to arrive) to claim asylum.
Now they're pushing the narrative that if they make it easy to apply then all the world's asylum seekers will do it.

You do realise that being called “right wing scumbags” and “thick as pigshit” (“gammon” was another favourite) for being critical about immigration was probably one of the reasons that prompted people to vote for Brexit?
And I say this as an immigrant who opposed Brexit.

Good rant but you lot caused this by destroying relations with France/EU, now responsible for an outbreak of Diphtheria here in the UK & jamming people 4000 people in a camp designed for 1000.

So whats your solution? instead of a nonsensical attack on the 'left who have not caused this, just to remind you, the Conservatives have been in govt for 12 years plus and can't even use a phone correctly, let alone manage complex international issues.

The petrol bomb attack was done by a man clearly failed by the lack of MH services in the UK.

Can you say more about how it works

Do you mean remote from a processing centre set up in other countries or other

How many would apply and would all who meet criteria get entry or any caps applied?

Exactly this. If people are told they can’t talk about the issues they see and their concerns for fear of being called racist then that’s why we end up with petrol bombs and very right wing politicians.

On social media in the town that I live near are questions about the huge groups of young men hanging around the town Centre, harassing people. Yes they might be legal asylums, yes they might be educated, yes they might be trapped in the situation but that doesn’t help what people see and talk about whilst shops are closing, homelessness raising etc etc. Until people are told the truth, are asked what they want, and solutions found that do not discriminate then more right wing politicians will be elected. It might be called racism and ignorance by the be kind liberals but you are not living in these towns.

Yeah that told ‘em. The glee, sorry ignorance shows why Brexit happened in the first place. And the cycle continues.

This.

Listening to someone on radio anguishing over it but no recognition of why people are feeling unheard.

It’s madness. You can’t admonish people out of this issue.

And so we start again. Those fools that voted for Brexit, those unkind people who asked questions about immigration, numbers, control, costs etc. It’s all their fault and they asked for this.

let’s stop the name calling, shaming, and let’s talk about the truth. numbers, where they will live, costs etc. If we have controlled asylum.

This is why you get events like the petrol bomb attack.

The person who carried out that attack took their own life shortly afterwards. We don't know what their motivations were.

Take a guess. It’s not rocket science.

@MarshaBradyo I'm not actually in charge of government policy so can't give you precise details of how the system might work, but how about this:

Asylum seekers use the internet to apply for asylum in the uk.

They could be in a war zone, or in a refugee camp, or in a temporary Safe House, or even still in their home but in fear of persecution.

Their documents could be uploaded from photographs taken on a phone or processed with help from say, embassy officials if that's safe where they are.

As long as they keep their application number and details safe they can view their application status wherever they are, as asylum applicants often need to move frequently to stay safe.

Once asylum is granted they would get a travel visa so they could travel to the UK by regular routes.

If this is the "normal" way to claim asylum, then the business model for the boat gangs disappears overnight.

@sst1234 I can think of three fairly obvious other reasons.

You don’t have to be in charge do you if you have an idea just say it.

No one on this thread has talked about numbers and if they’ll be capped or not if legal routes are put in place.

At least think about what they might be if what you want happens. People obviously feel very strongly it should be sage legal routes, ok next step how many

Ok.

so safe legal routes;
remote processing not in the U.K.;

what are the numbers?
how will we house them?
how will they initially be supported?