To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

[JudesBiggestFan]

But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

But 103,000 sort asylum in France in 2021. Very few come to the uk in comparison.

and there is no free house, benefits or health care. You need to step away from the daily mail.

I'm trying to use the reasoning of jamie dimon, and if we have immigration, is to have it so immigration helps the UK economy.

What difference would it make if there was an easier was to claim asylum before coming to the UK? Those that were accepted would come here legally, those that were not would still come here illegally.

There should be absolute zero tolerance of illegal immigration. Deport them immediately, no appeal, and widely promote this, to stop making Britain seem such a soft touch.

I think you over egg peoples whish to come to the Uk it’s not seen as the sunlit lands you seem to think it is.

630,000 asylum seekers entered the EU last year less than 20,000 tried to get to the uk of those that get here around 80% are granted asylum.

who said easier just legal.

the only asylum seekers trying to get to the uk are those with a connection to the uk or speak English.

Let asylum seekers work , they pay taxes , they contribute, problem solved

You are in both group 1 and 2 of the groups in my post.

We need immigrants especially as our population ages.

around here so many businesses are operating on short hours, limited service or just closing cause they can’t get staff.

we have zero unemployment before Brexit.

on large holiday park has over 300 vacancies.

Definitely

I agree with work programs

bur they will have to be managed very carefully and this some will see as an infringement of peoples rights

but sitting around waiting is detrimental to people’s
mh, routine and a sense of contributing would help many

Dimon, was saying similar, have programs set up that can help with the growth of the economy with immigration ect

Erm it is not easy for asylum seekers to get here to claim asylum, w

We do not need immigrants as our population ages. We are a small island that is already overcrowded.

Businesses that pay good wages have no problems getting staff.

There was no zero unemployment before Brexit.

Has this holiday park considered increasing the wages they offer?

This still doesn't explain why large numbers in France are attempting and so many successfully crossing, when they are already in a safe country. What is better in the UK compared to France, that is worth risking lives for?

The asylum support groups arrange opportunities for volunteering for asylum seekers.

The government slashed funding for English classes. In some areas the wait list is over a year to learn English.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. This drives me absolutely mad. It’s a term invented by the media and used by people who don’t really understand the immigration process. It’s not a term used by the Home Office. It’s meaningless. There are legal terms to describe the status of every non British citizen in the UK and illegal immigrant doesn’t relate to any of them.

While we’re on the topic of things that annoy me, if we decide to completely ignore our obligations under the Refugee Convention, where exactly would you like to see these boats returned to? Because it’s a reasonable guess that they’ve come from France, but Belgium and the Netherlands are also on the coast and, funnily enough, the French authorities require a bit more than guesswork before other countries start randomly dumping non French nationals on their beaches.

They’ll have some contacts here, family, friends, the language.

Let’s not forget that the U.K. actively recruited from other countries in the 60s. They sold the idea that coming to Britain was a great idea. That perception won’t have gone away.

The numbers arriving in the U.K. are tiny compared to elsewhere.

Pakistan takes a huge number. Ta not a big country.

This still doesn't explain why large numbers in France are attempting and so many successfully crossing, when they are already in a safe country. What is better in the UK compared to France, that is worth risking lives for

It has been explained several times on this thread: language, family & the opportunity to work in our thriving black economy are the three top reasons.

Your information is incorrect.
75,181 asylum seekers applied for asylum in the U.K. over the 12 months from May 2021-June 2022.

117,945 asylum seekers are currently awaiting an initial decision from the Home Office. www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

These numbers are not “very few” compared to the 103,000 figure you quoted for France, which I have not fact checked, but we do need to keep in mind population density when comparing countries. The U.K. has one of the highest population densities in Europe at 275 people per km2, compared to France with a population density of only 122 people per km2. France could quite literally take in 68 million asylum seekers and still would be less crowded than the U.K. is today. Overpopulation is a valid concern when discussing immigration of all types. www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-by-population-density.html

there is no free house, benefits or health care
This is also incorrect. Asylum support starts from the day of the screening and gives people somewhere to live and a small allowance for necessities.

“What you'll get

You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £40.85 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week. You’ll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine.

If you’ve been refused asylum
You’ll be given:

somewhere to live
£40.85 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries
You will not be given:

the payment card if you do not take the offer of somewhere to live
any money
Extra money for mothers and young children
You’ll get extra money to buy healthy food if you’re pregnant or a mother of a child under 3. The amount you get will depend on your situation.

Your situation Extra payment per week
Pregnant mother £3
Baby under 1 year old £5
Child aged 1 to 3 £3
Maternity payment
You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment if your baby is due in 8 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 weeks old.

If you’ve been refused asylum
You can apply for a one-off £250 maternity payment if your baby is due in 8 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 weeks old.

Applying for the maternity grant
You apply for the maternity grant in the same way whether you’re still an asylum seeker or you’ve been refused asylum.

You’ll need to request form MAT B1 from your doctor to apply for the payment. You can apply for the maternity payment at the same time you apply for asylum support.

If you get pregnant after you’ve applied for asylum support, you can apply to the support team that dealt with your application for asylum support.

Healthcare
You may get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, such as to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.

You’ll also get:

free prescriptions for medicine
free dental care for your teeth
free eyesight tests
help paying for glasses

Education
Your children must attend school if they are aged 5 to 17. All state schools are free and your children may be able to get free school meals.
www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Let’s not forget that the U.K. actively recruited from other countries in the 60s. They sold the idea that coming to Britain was a great idea. That perception won’t have gone away
Exactly, and earlier like after the 2nd World War when we actively recruited for people to come over from the the Carribbean, from islands we'd taken over (colonised)
and people came over on the Windrush being promised a better life, that they're thought of as British because of colonisation, only to be met with racism and discrimination when they got here 😥

@somewhereovertherain
630,000 asylum seekers entered the EU last year less than 20,000 tried to get to the uk of those that get here around 80% are granted asylum.

Again, your figures are incorrect.
530,000 asylum seekers applied for asylum in the EU last year (2021)
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20220323-1

75,181 made it to the U.K. not “less than 20,000”.
Your 80% figure is close enough based on 76% of initial applications approved plus those who win after appeal.
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

That would breach international law.

What the UK could do is take up the offer made by France to open up asylum application processing centres there. At the moment, people can only claim asylum in the UK if they are physically present in the UK.

And I absolutely agree with all your other answers, as I’ve already outlined. But none of your other answers solve the problem of what to do with people who are here now.

I think your other answers show as well that asylum can be a temporary problem - if the problem was solved on the Albanian side, it would hugely ease the problem here. But that takes government intervention, and I can’t see that the current lot have the skill or the will to do that. They’ve been in power for 12 years and it’s getting progressively worse. Why is that? (Again, rhetorical question!)

Isn't it just, @SystemOfAFrowns .

And I'm still only on the first page.

We don’t even have an anti-slavery commissioner anymore. For everyone who’s up in arms about asylum seekers, why isn’t that bothering you? I keep seeing people saying “the left” don’t have an answer, but from what I’m seeing from the “right” (and I mean those in government as much as anyone posting here), they don’t even understand what’s causing the problem, let alone have a workable answer.