To think not everything is ‘misogyny’

[Cuppasoupmonster]

… and that the word is massively overused on here?

I’m getting quite tired of it if I’m honest, it feels like every other conversation the ‘misogyny’ card is whipped out and anyone who disagrees has ‘internalised misogyny’ (um no I just have a different opinion).

It’s becoming the ‘BeKind’ of feminism. Overused to the point it’s getting meaningless and irritating, and just used to ‘win’ any kind of nuanced topic without any proper discussion.

AIBU? 🤷🏼‍♀️

@AMorningstar

The men in positions of power are RICH men and a minority of men. They're about as unrelatable to the average man as a Martian is.

It's not men v women, it's the super wealthy vs everyone else.

Overwhelmingly those super wealthy people are male, on a global scale.

Yes, a tiny minority of people make decisions that affect people on an international or even national level.

But the higher up the ladder, the more statistically likely someone is to be male.

Therefore the majority of global power and influence is held by men.

Any disparity that great is reflected in policy making, allocation of funds, the legal system, healthcare, growth of industries...

It's not a difficult thing to understand, because it's just a statistical fact.

Same energy as "making murder illegal will ensure no one ever gets murdered"

Not all men in positions of power are rich.
Self appointed community leaders in socially deprived communities who think they have a god given right to be in charge for instance.
My experience of misogyny has certainly not been at the hands of rich men but that doesn’t mean rich men in power aren’t a problem for me, just for me my direct experiences have not been at the hands of rich men.

I had an issue this morning with a man from my community try to intimidate me and when he saw I wasn’t going to take any shit he cowered back. This was not a rich man, just a random man who thought he could scare me because he thought I was another woman from the community who would take the shit.

That’s not what I said though. I said men are more likely to be a victim of stranger violence.

So you think men are biologically more violent? Why?

By other men. Completely eliminating the fact some women are violent and aggressive.

No, because that’s a fact. That’s the literal fact we’re discussing: male violence.

@AMorningstar

Your assertion that women are fundamentally at risk is a misogynistic one because it relies on the belief that we are feeble.

Feeble is a loaded word.

Even @SlickShady acknowledged that women are statistically physically weaker than men as a sex class and therefore more physically vulnerable and statistically more likely to be a victim of physical violence.

I have never had women behave in this manner towards me and I can bet if I was in the wrong country the same man wouldn’t have cowered and I wouldn’t have dared confront him.

So "good,nice" men's feelings are so feeble and frail that they might put their own egos ahead of the well being of women and children and even other men?

Once again , the argument against speaking against male violence/patriarchy/misogyny is fear. The bad men won't listen , the good ones will be upset and won't do the right thing.

Women being fundamentally at risk, relies on statistics and facts that show men are more likely to be violent and women are more likely to be killed by men.
You may feel a false sense of security from your 'fighting skills' but it is a false sense of security. Men kill other men too - even ones that know martial arts. Even ones that are bigger than them. (This is all so self-explanatory I can't believe I'm having to type it).
Over 90% of murders are committed by men.
Pretending that isn't true doesn't serve anyone ... except the violent men.

Men are conditioned to believe they are the ones supposed to be in charge.

Some of this is rooted in biology (testosterone, usually physically stronger, dont get pregnant) but it mostly comes from society teaching them to think they can do what they want and take what they want. By force if necessary.

Of course we can 'educate' men out of these beliefs

We can educate women not to put up with it too

Hopefully

For the final time (seriously).

The argument made is:
[ZZZZZ] run the world because the world's top [ZZZZZ] are [ZZZZZ].

Phrase it 'Jews run the world because the world's top bankers are Jews', and you're an anti-semitic nutter.

But 'Men run the world because the world's top CEOs are men' is a coherent argument?

If you think the concept of patriarchy boils down to some men having top jobs then you've missed the whole concept

Still very interesting that you still keep trying to imply women discussing patriarchal oppression are like anti-semites though

(My feeling, which I absolutely can't prove nor do I have evidence for, is that most strong women are that way because of their fathers.)

The thread has moved on But just WOW at this.

I don't think the poster realises which argument this supports.

Maybe women as a group should work on becoming physically stronger then.

You misunderstand my point.

It started with strong oppressing weak. Which meant man oppressing woman.

That oppression was then moulded into law and into society, culture, art, religion… It became iron-clad so that each individual man doesn’t have to be stronger than each woman; he benefits from the system that has been constructed over centuries by his strong fellow men.

Put simply, a Victorian man didn’t have to physically oppress his wife in order to wield immense financial power over her; the system did it for him because he was a man

Do you think we’ve miraculously dismantled all those beliefs, values, social forces in, what, 100 years?? Really?

Ok, so you’re either joking or you’ve decided ‘fuck it, I’m not even going to pretend I’m not an incel’

They don’t have to - they could use weapons or poison. But they don’t.

Lol I'm a woman.

I'm sick of the narrative by other women, supposed feminists at that, that we are weak creatures that need protecting.

@AMorningstar

Maybe women as a group should work on becoming physically stronger then.

I'm afraid you've embarrassed yourself there.

Don't be so ridiculous.

I don't think I can be bothered with you any more, I'll leave it to someone more patient 😂

Maybe women as a group should work on becoming physically stronger then.

Women should work on becoming as violent and aggressive as men. Fixed that for you. Of course, that wouldn't solve anything and only cause more violence all around but hey ho.

Not going to help you defend yourself, at least not poison.

If women didn't perpetuate this reputation of us being weak perhaps we wouldn't be seen as easy targets

@AMorningstar I ask again have you ever been attacked,assaulted,stalked,followed ,mugged?

If yes, how did you react? Did your physical strength provide a positive outcome every single time?

If no, then you have no idea if it would make a difference. I also presume you think it's because you don't "look like a victim". I'm telling you it's just luck.

Plenty of physically strong women , fighters,swat,army,police,weightlifters,firefighters etc have been beaten,raped and murdered by men. Some even by men that would be considered physically weaker.

Jeeze

Such victim blaming

But do you understand that women as a group are physically weaker? On a global scale we do need protecting from violent men. Are you really not aware of this??