To think not everything is ‘misogyny’

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… and that the word is massively overused on here?

I’m getting quite tired of it if I’m honest, it feels like every other conversation the ‘misogyny’ card is whipped out and anyone who disagrees has ‘internalised misogyny’ (um no I just have a different opinion).

It’s becoming the ‘BeKind’ of feminism. Overused to the point it’s getting meaningless and irritating, and just used to ‘win’ any kind of nuanced topic without any proper discussion.

AIBU? 🤷🏼‍♀️

It’s true. Some feminists have more in common with TRAs than they would ever admit.

Like?

Exactly what I was thinking - misogyny! No wait, abortion! No wait, contraceptives! No wait, equality! Just constantly moving the goal posts when you can’t respond to a point.

If all else fails then argue that the women engaging in good faith discussion about feminist don't really know what they're talking about because genuine misogyny isn't common anyway.

Like an aggressive refusal to engage in debate. Using ridiculous far-flung ‘conclusions’ to support their arguments. Like smearing the poster as having ‘internalised misogyny’ (rather than ‘bigoted’). The rudeness and rage whenever anyone disagrees.

People (like me! ) are trying to engage in debate but you’re not answering questions. What’s the issue with using abortion as a contraception, for example?

We’re on to trans rights now 🤣🤣

Like an aggressive refusal to engage in debate. Using ridiculous far-flung ‘conclusions’ to support their arguments. Like smearing the poster as having ‘internalised misogyny’ (rather than ‘bigoted’). The rudeness and rage whenever anyone disagrees.
There's 11 pages of people debating.

But I understand you needed another random topic to throw in on your women don't know what they're talking about thread. 😂🙄

Well abortion always has an ethical standpoint, it’s preferable to prevent the creation of any ‘life’ rather than create it to be destroyed. I don’t believe an embryo is on par with a ‘human life’ but I still think it’s unethical to knowingly create them to be destroyed.

Abortion is far more costly, invasive and damaging to women, both psychologically and medically.

We’re on to trans rights now
Of course we are 🤣.

I'm still intrigued as to what's so wrong with women accurately identifying contempt for women and ingrained prejudice (or as the dictionary would say, misogyny).

Whether it’s accurate or not is subjective isn’t it?

Abortion is far more costly, invasive and damaging to women, both psychologically and medically.

So you are both pro-trans and anti abortion?

I thought that's what you accused GC feminists of? Isn't it one of the reasons for the JKR hate?

No. I’m GC and pro choice. I wouldn’t put any limits on abortion. But that doesn’t mean I personally believe it should be used as birth control etc. Where on earth did you draw that conclusion?!

Well you only believe in 'good abortions' clearly.

"Anti-abortion" is obviously also one of those terms that means nothing anymore, if the standard is now "has absolutely any ethical qualms about callously creating and destroying embryos"...

What do you mean by ‘believe in’?

Of course! Great idea! Let men off the hook for everything and then they'll be so grateful - that we're not making any demands, having any boundaries or holding them responsible for themselves - that they'll automatically give women equal pay, delete all the porn websites, stop murdering women at a rate of 2 per week and maybe, if we're lucky, even let us define what women are and keep our spaces.
If only we were sweeter to them, I'm sure they'd give us everything wrapped up with pretty ribbons
There are lots of places on the internet that will agree with your 'surrendered girl' view of life. You might be happier on one those sites.

Surely it's at least a little misogynistic to call women who get pregnant by accident careless, while ignoring the fact that it also takes a male to create a pregnancy.

Why though? The embryo is destroyed regardless, why does it matter about the feelings of the people at the moment of conception?

Like IVF, you mean? Or only if the woman enjoys sex?

Whether it’s accurate or not is subjective isn’t it?
Not according to you. You've been quite vocal about how women don't know what they're talking about when it comes to their own oppression.

No, I’ve said how I feel. I am also a woman, who has had a termination no less. Have you had one?

If you think any opinion that has nuance is this, then you’re not really up to having such complex debates.

I'm not seeing any nuance or complex debates coming from you, frankly.

I'm totally with you OP. The way misogyny is used nowadays is women not taking responsibility for their actions or choices and needed someone to blame so the fingers is pointed at men. The same so many like to blame the government for their poor choices too.

Can I ask what was it about women that it made more sense for women to be the washing machines before washing machines were invented.
I’m truly curious.

No, I’ve said how I feel. I am also a woman, who has had a termination no less. Have you had one?

You absolutely have said women don't know what they're talking about and have been patronising throughout, before jumping from topic to topic.

The fact you've had a termination is irrelevant to the fact you've spent pages telling women that they don't understand their own oppression, that misogyny isn't really a big issue.

This lack of nuance and desperation to put men on the hook for everything, is actually holding us back in my opinion. It makes women look like children, unable to take responsibility for anything and instead delegate the blame for their actions to their ‘responsible adult’ (men).

@LolaSmiles well you say I’m in the wrong for ‘not believing women when it comes to their own oppression’ even though I didn’t say that but here I am talking about something I have first hand experience of and you don’t, and you’re determined I’m still wrong. So which is it?