Brexit legislation that could result in 2,400 laws disappearing overnight – including a ban on animal testing for cosmetics, workers’ rights and environmental protections.

[Kendodd]

Does anyone know about this? The government seem really keen to rip up everything. AIBU to be worried or is it not going to happen?

www.gov.uk/government/news/the-retained-eu-law-revocation-and-reform-bill-2022

www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oct/24/post-brexit-proposals-mean-2400-laws-could-disappear-lawyers-warn

I don't think people realise just how complex the process is and how much is at risk e.g
in relation to food safety laws. blogs.sussex.ac.uk/uktpo/2022/03/10/finding-the-benefits-of-brexit-food-law-and-the-uks-emerging-regulatory-identity/

The benefit of this process is very dubious and I am still yet to see anyone name a single law which they would like to see repealed.

@jcyclops explains it perfectly. I wonder if she works with my husband? In the Goesler household we talk of little else.

I am still yet to see anyone name a single law which they would like to see repealed.

I don’t know them all! Do you? They may even all be retained, maybe most of us here don’t want any repealed? But we have to incorporate them into our own laws in that case, you can’t keep it as it is. I’d like to know what this government plans to repeal, surely they’d be able to tell us something. Maybe they have? I’m just not aware of which ones they have on a list to get rid off, if any.

People voted for it so we'll have to get on with it.

There is a link to dashboard I posted earlier with retained EU law.

People don't need to know them all, no one does, but those saying it's needed should be able to say why and give examples.
Otherwise they are just making it up

They are already incorporated into English law. What do you think happened before? Because what actually happened was that the EU Parliament passed legislation that the UK countries then put into UK law. Some were incorporated as passed, some were altered slightly or we derogated from in accordance with EU law.

You seem to have a misunderstanding about the legal position.

If this/when happens how will it affect NI?

And what about Scotland? I assume this will also cover Scotland, and that Scotland won't like that as it will create more hurdles to EU membership for them if they become independent? Plus Scotland wouldn't want diminished rights and protections for people, animals and environment.

What a shitshow!

Of course Labour could easily add replacement laws in their manifesto.

If they get in. What if they don't? What if a different party get in? One, even more intent on ideology than the Conservatives?

By the end of this parliamentary term, the Tories will be unelectable. The UK has massively shifted to the right, so those votes aren't necessarily going to Labour.

I despair of this Tory government that has already stripped me of so many rights but isn't finished. And I worry about whatever government English people will elect in 2 years time. For once in my life, living NI seems a privilege.🤯 I'd be shitting myself if I was English.

Wishful thinking.

I think these laws with go. So too will the NHS. The UK has to grow its economy and the only way it can do it is by removing regulation and privatising healthcare.

Sadly, odds are on that this will pass. It’s a travesty.

Isn’t this what the vote was for? Are you surprised?

The vote was not for rapid chaos, it was to take control - you can do that carefully or carelessly.

Its as if you all had an idea in your heads about what Brexit meant and you all thought that's what we would be getting. In reality there was no Brexit plan. No one could say with any certainty what 'taking control' meant or how it would be done; so claiming it was not for rapid chaos just isn't correct.

It’s actually less control because Britain no longer has any input into eu law and regulation - but will have to comply with a lot of it still.

there were so many ways that Britain could
have extricated itself from the eu more if it wanted to that were not as catastrophic- and the reality is there is only so far it CAN extricate itself

There’s an enormous team of lawyers re-writing everything at the moment.
some of the EU laws were restrictive and they’ll oust those. Some they’ll retain.
we can’t still with them all for ever to make things easier. They need to be re-written as UK laws.

They are not rewriting everything at the moment. There are not even most decisions made about what to repeal or what to assimilate

Who is instructing this enormous team of lawyers? Who is paying them? Who are they?

Why not? They've had 6 years!

@underneaththeash

what exactly do you mean by rewritten as uk laws?

if a law says that you can return something 14 days after buying it online - how does that need to be different?

what is the magic fairy dust thst makes it special uk law and. It nasty eu law?

what eu laws were restrictive? The uk had a significant influemce over eu law. And when you say get rid of - what mechanism for parliamentary scrutiny will there be? Who is going to decide thst?

Some people were asking for examples of laws/regulations that are candidates to be repealed.

1. The rule allowing tax relief on company profits made in the UK for companies resident in the EEA due to losses incurred outside the UK. (eg. EDF makes losses in France so UK can't tax their UK profits)
2. A derogation against CO2 targets for vehicles manufactured in 2020-2021 by Bentley.
3. 4. 5. Similar to 2) for Suzuki, Lamborghini and General Motors
4. Specifies the methodology for calculating rail safety targets and performance (will be outdated (and may be already) as EU modifies these regularly)
5. Requirements for the EU wide register of rail vehicles (only needed for vehicles that run on EU railways)
6. The rule setting fishing quotas for EU states for catches in non-EU waters for 2019
7. The rules about discard Venus Clam shells in Italian coastal waters.
8. Law on the temporary ban of imports of certain fruits from Argentina to prevent introduction of disease. (Ban since lifted in EU)

These are 10 of the 196 already earmarked for repeal.

You think we can discard #1?jc
WRT #2, I live in the inner city so I'm all for CO2 targets.
#3 Good, my ability to breathe should not depend on people's want to have a fancy car.
#4&5 Their railways, their business.
#6 Important for our fisheries. Needs to be addressed.
#7 Happy to keep. We can't go around littering.
#8 That one can go, but reminds us of the risk from invasive species.

You have any examples of the UK citizen's/worker's rights being removed @jcyclops?

Oops, meant to say that #1 needs addressing to benefit the UK.

This is exactly what remainers tried to warn about. Brexiters prioritised shiny blue passports over workers rights though so we are where we are. Suella will distract us with ‘anti-woke’ bollocks whilst the others quietly take away our rights.

This is exactly what the LibDems warned us about at the 2019 General election, yet the electorate chose to vote against them and proceed with Brexit.

@PrincessofWellies I’m not sure I am misunderstanding, maybe it’s using the wrong lingo but @jcyclops explanation here is what I now understand:
In effect we passed an overarching law that said these 2400 laws/rules/regs are retained and incorporated into UK law. Now we have the next stage which is reviewing all these laws/rules/regs and by the end of 2023 either
a) incorporating them "as is" as amendments to existing UK laws
b) incorporating them "as is" as new individual UK laws
c) amending them and doing a) or b)
d) scrapping them as unnecessary.
e) Making a positive decision on the most difficult/contentious pieces for later discussion before the second deadline in 2026.