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Brexit legislation that could result in 2,400 laws disappearing overnight – including a ban on animal testing for cosmetics, workers’ rights and environmental protections.

160 replies

Kendodd · 25/10/2022 16:17

Does anyone know about this? The government seem really keen to rip up everything. AIBU to be worried or is it not going to happen?

www.gov.uk/government/news/the-retained-eu-law-revocation-and-reform-bill-2022

www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oct/24/post-brexit-proposals-mean-2400-laws-could-disappear-lawyers-warn

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PrincessofWellies · 25/10/2022 16:56

The direction in which this country is travelling is very worrying. We really do need an election.

Cornettoninja · 25/10/2022 16:56

Many Tories these days call themselves Libertarians so don't believe in lots of laws and rules (ie government interference )

unless it’s the housing market.

IncompleteSenten · 25/10/2022 16:56

Discovereads · 25/10/2022 16:29

Oh yes. I was one of those warning and being called a Remoaner peddling Project Fear 🙄

Me too.

DesMoulinsRouge · 25/10/2022 16:59

FinallyHere · 25/10/2022 16:53

The UK parliament voted for any and all UK laws before they became law. It would be a colossal waste of time and money to simply replace all those laws with new laws which are the same.

I didn't vote for Brexit but understand that being 'free' of all those laws is exactly what people were voting for.

They won't make laws that are the same they will get rid of anything that costs business money eg workers rights, sick pay. That's the point of the exercise.
They are just going to get rid of them off a cliff which will mean that people will suffer. Normally when you repeal a law you have a replacement one that has been thought through, checked by legal experts.

AlisonDonut · 25/10/2022 17:00

It's the reason I decided to leave the UK the morning of the BREXIT result. This was always part of the plan. It's just that COVID got in the way a little.

It's a feature not a bug as they say.

Cjj01 · 25/10/2022 17:00

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 25/10/2022 16:50

I started a thread about 4 years ago saying this would happen. I was concerned at the time specifically about reintroduction of pesticides that are harmful to bees. My family are beekeepers and worked with Newcastle University for years on projects concerning honey bees. I wasnt just making something up or repeating something I'd seen on Facebook.

I was told I was a stupid, thick scaremongering wanker, basically.

No you were right. I also predicted this before the vote- horrified to see I was right.

Wonder how long it will be until workhouses are being touted as a viable solution for struggling families/lack of council housing.

DesMoulinsRouge · 25/10/2022 17:01

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You're in luck, Victorian poor law coming your way!

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 17:04

Typical Guardian scaremongering. The operative word here, people, is 'could'. The fact is until this is enacted/debated/proposed we just don't know

Cavviesarethebest · 25/10/2022 17:07

@notmyrealmoniker ?? It has been proposed? By the government? It is currently in process

FinallyHere · 25/10/2022 17:12

@AlisonDonut

It's a feature not a bug as they say.

😄

Well, if I didn't laugh I would cry.

Untitledsquatboulder · 25/10/2022 17:13

notmyrealmoniker · 25/10/2022 17:04

Typical Guardian scaremongering. The operative word here, people, is 'could'. The fact is until this is enacted/debated/proposed we just don't know

By which time it will be too late.

1dayatatime · 25/10/2022 18:38

Cavviesarethebest · 25/10/2022 16:27

It is absolutely horrendous.

totally bonkers.

the kind of thing that a 14 year old would understand won’t work

its insane. And shows just how absolutely lacking in basic intelligence the government under Boris was.

it is totally unworkable

I am really hoping that sunak is intelligent enough to recognise that this will be catastrophic for all parties - having a legal vaccine helps no one

Whilst I agree with you that it is unworkable and also that it is insane, I disagree with the blame on Boris.

17 million voted for Brexit despite being warned this would happen- blame them. 14 million voted for Boris in 2019 - blame them.

1dayatatime · 25/10/2022 18:46

The (flawed) concept by the Conservative party for Brexit was to usher in a change to a low tax, low spending and light regulation economy.

Liz Truss found out the hard way that low tax but keeping spending the same (too many votes to be lost otherwise) simply doesn't work. However her flawed agenda of light touch regulation has stayed.

Now Liz's logic has been junked the solution for growth is a closer relationship with the EU not more distance.

Blossomtoes · 25/10/2022 18:47

Who do you think persuaded those voters to vote leave? Johnson. Who won an election on “Get Bexit Done”? Johnson. Who put Rees Mogg in charge of Brexit? Johnson.

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/10/2022 18:53

I'm glad I have dual nationality. If I was English I'd be shitting myself.

Applesandcarrots · 25/10/2022 18:58

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/10/2022 18:53

I'm glad I have dual nationality. If I was English I'd be shitting myself.

With who is in the Home Office again, us non British are shitting themselves 😂

Wheretheskyisblue · 25/10/2022 19:00

I don't understand why people think Sunak is any more pro EU than Johnson. If anything he is more ideologically opposed to a closer relationship.

This is what he said in July about the 2400 EU laws
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/16/rishi-sunak-vows-ditch-eu-laws-holding-britain-back/

Rishi Sunak on Saturday brandished his Brexiteer credentials, promising a bonfire of EU laws “getting in the way” of British businesses to trigger “a new Big Bang”.

Writing for The Telegraph, the former chancellor pledged that he will have “scrapped or reformed all of the EU law, red tape and bureaucracy that is still on our statute book and slowing economic growth” by the time of the next election if he succeeds Boris Johnson as prime minister.

Mr Sunak said he would task a Brexit minister and a new Brexit Delivery Department with reviewing all 2,400 EU laws transferred over to the UK statute book after the UK’s exit from the bloc. He would demand the first set of recommendations as to whether each law should be scrapped or reformed “within my first 100 days in the job”.

1dayatatime · 25/10/2022 19:01

@Blossomtoes

"Who do you think persuaded those voters to vote leave? "

Well there are always those that are dumb enough to be conned and those that are happy to con people.

"Who won an election on “Get Bexit Done”? Johnson. "

Who voted him in? 14 million voters who thought that it would be a good idea to vote for an out of his depth out for himself serial liar and were then surprised when he turned to indeed be exactly that.

Who put Rees Mogg in charge of Brexit? Johnson.
At least with JRM he is consistent in treating both those voted Conservative and those who didn't with equal contempt.

1dayatatime · 25/10/2022 19:06

@Wheretheskyisblue

"Rishi Sunak on Saturday brandished his Brexiteer credentials, promising a bonfire of EU laws “getting in the way” of British businesses to trigger “a new Big Bang”."

++

Whilst it is true that reverting to say Victorian standards of worker safety, workers rights and environmental controls would boost economic growth this does come with some significant externalities and impact on individuals.

Speedweed · 25/10/2022 19:30

We'll be the new third world country, because that's who we'll be competing with.

And once the laws with all the EU protections have gone, it makes it almost impossible to return to the EU, because of the outcry at the cost.

FixundFoxi · 25/10/2022 19:34

Agreed. But no one can blame anyone because they'll feel insulted and carry on voting for the buggers who got us in to this situation.

Luckydip1 · 25/10/2022 19:35

The Brexiteers must be over the moon, this is what they wanted after all!

Applesandcarrots · 25/10/2022 19:43

Speedweed · 25/10/2022 19:30

We'll be the new third world country, because that's who we'll be competing with.

And once the laws with all the EU protections have gone, it makes it almost impossible to return to the EU, because of the outcry at the cost.

I don't think we are as far from third world as some people like to think unfortunately