Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

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This is not democracy.

Well the Tories have set the bar very high !!

I'm not sure there'll be anything left to screw up. The Tories have wrecked most of it and will finish the job before they're elected out forever.

And we vote on the manifesto. The Tories have ripped up the manifesto on which Boris was elected. Truss used the UK as a giant lab rat in some loony ideological experiment, and we now have a PM and a chancellor about to give us Austerity .2 - which will pick the bare bones of what’s left of public services and welfare after Austerity .1

Yes, this is the bigger problem.

We do have a parliamentary system so if Sunak were going to implement the manifesto that the Tories were elected on in 2019, arguably no problem. When he's going to do the exact opposite, that's when there becomes a democratic issue. Even if one accepts the argument of people who think Sunak's plans are a necessity because of the circumstances that have arisen in the past three years, it's still such a big change of direction that the argument there should be a GE is strengthened. Though clearly there isn't a chance in hell that will actually happen.

Thangam Debonnaire pointed out on Saturday that the world’s such a substantially different place from December 2019 that the manifesto this government was elected on is now irrelevant. It’s the best argument I can think of for a GE being necessary.

Yes, and it's not even something that the Tories are deserving of blame for. Obviously there are arguments about how badly things have been run in the interim, but nobody saw a pandemic and then the Russian invasion of Ukraine coming. It's not anyone's fault that the handling of those consecutive, absolutely seismic events has ended up changing the terrain. That would've happened even with a competent government.

I don't recall what this oft mentioned manifesto was in 2019 and how the government is now straying from it?
I would presume however that it would have largely been based on the economic landscape at the time which, to be fair, is vastly different now.

Can someone state what they perceive to be the reneged-on promises? Particularly those who have mentioned the manifesto many times.
I never read manifestos - I never have. Probably because it's all spin and promises. Promises are rarely kept in my experience of politics.
You get a low level understanding of what a party stands for, but that's about it.

If you can't cite specific instances from the manifesto of the time, please stop mentioning it. I'm pretty sure it was summed up in three words - 'Get Brexit done'?

I recall voting Labour in a seat held consistently in this area by someone very experienced in the Tory party.

The end result was extremely close.

48.5% Conservative
45.9% Labour
5.7% Liberal Democrat

The constituency would be predominantly white and affluent and the Labour candidate was of Indian heritage, young and new to the scene I believe so it came very very close really.

Here you go @TheNosehasit. Is your Google not working today?

www.conservatives.com/our-plan

At the next GE, I think the Conservatives will lose this seat if they put up a strong candidate from Labour.

I'm not reading bullshit.

Where have they strayed from their manifesto?

If you keep mentioning it - back it up.

Repeatedly mentioning manifestos and promises is just meaningless words.

If it matters to you - cite the issues.

Stop making sweeping statements with nothing to support your view.

We won't allow fracking -3 line whip to vote in favour of fracking.

40 new hospitals

We need to find fuel somewhere?

Next.

How many are there and what was the timescale?

Fucking hell, I can’t believe we have someone too idle to click on a link. What did your last slave die of @TheNosehasit?

This area incidentally is in fact getting the hospital rebuilt as I think it dates back to prehistoric times. 😐

Back up your argument then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most people do not have either the time nor the inclination to read through a marketing publication.

Stop mentioning this bloody manifesto. Use specifics. You'll get further.

Click on the link!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As long as the knighted drone is in charge of the Labour party, expect more of the same.

Leaves blowing in the wind have captured my attention for longer than he has.

I just tune out when he appears lol. I'm not sure what it is but I think it's his monotonous manner of speaking. Has he had Botox or something? I've seen walls with more expression.

You can't argue then? You don't know what's in it?

Stop mentioning it then.

I know perfectly well what’s in it. Because I’m not lazy and I prefer to do my own research. Why would you believe what I tell you? I could be a congenital liar.

My cat would do a better job of arguing. One look from her and you know that she feels passionately about something.
Kier lacks charisma. He lacks anything. If people won't listen to him, Labour will go nowhere! Can't you see that?
The leader of a party should be the one who people follow; who people look up to; who people listen to.