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Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

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MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 24/10/2022 14:06

This is not democracy.

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Blossomtoes · 24/10/2022 21:07

One journalist. Mainstream, free view broadcast channels barely give opposition politicians any air time. Nor do the press.

derxa · 24/10/2022 21:13

Blossomtoes · 24/10/2022 21:07

One journalist. Mainstream, free view broadcast channels barely give opposition politicians any air time. Nor do the press.

I take it you're too grand to watch GMB. They have the Shadow cabinet on almost every day. Today it was Emily Thornberry. The presenters often include Ed Balls Kate Garroway and Adil Ray.

VicToryA · 24/10/2022 21:15

how many red wallers or blue wallers will vote for a billionaire banker do you suppose?

Any number of them will, if it turns out that they and/or their families personally benefit. Nobody gives a toss about the personal wealth of the PM if they are themselves doing okay. Whether or not people will 'do okay' under Sunak remains to be seen. But people are very, very short-sighted and will on the day vote for the candidate they're feeling ok with at that particular time. They will also be swung by the narrative peddled by the media. So I wouldn't put money on anything at the moment.

Blossomtoes · 24/10/2022 21:18

derxa · 24/10/2022 21:13

I take it you're too grand to watch GMB. They have the Shadow cabinet on almost every day. Today it was Emily Thornberry. The presenters often include Ed Balls Kate Garroway and Adil Ray.

Not too grand. If the shadow cabinet is on it and you watch it regularly, how can you possibly say it has no policies? I’ll take you don’t agree with them but it’s obvious bollocks to say there aren’t any.

MangyInseam · 24/10/2022 21:21

theworldhas · 24/10/2022 20:36

People were incredibly more willing to give Truss a chance to prove herself than they are Rishi. Give the man an opportunity to at least try to sort out this mess. What have we got to lose right now?

He was in favour of a hard Brexit from the get go. The number of Brits who think Brexit, which will hit our GDP by 4% in the medium term, was a good idea is now down to 1 on 3. So either :
A) he is an irresponsible idiot - as much a fantasist as Truss.
B) he purposely campaigned to make most of us poorer and the UK economy less competitive.

either way he is not deserving of any kind of chance or opportunity. That’s before we mention him being comfortable with wife avoiding tax or his breaking lockdown rules.

Or he had other more long term goals for Brexit, or thought it was important for reasons other than economics.

It's far from clear how the EU will fare over the next 50 years.

derxa · 24/10/2022 21:22

Blossomtoes · 24/10/2022 21:18

Not too grand. If the shadow cabinet is on it and you watch it regularly, how can you possibly say it has no policies? I’ll take you don’t agree with them but it’s obvious bollocks to say there aren’t any.

I'll listen harder next time.😆

BirmaBrite · 24/10/2022 21:35

When Rishi Sunak was Chancellor during the Pandemic, did he have total power over decisions he made, all by himself, just sat at his desk with a Pukka pad and a pen, without any input from anyone else ? Did Boris Johnson not have any say as the PM at the time ? The rest of the Cabinet ? Absolutely no involvement from Parliament ?

MariEllie · 24/10/2022 22:24

UnCivil · 24/10/2022 19:13

What 18m voters are you the official spokesperson for?

BtW Sunak has a larger constituency majority than either BoJo or Truss.

Sir Keir was today unable to define what a woman was - again! And you expect him to lead the country?

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:30

MariEllie · 24/10/2022 22:24

Sir Keir was today unable to define what a woman was - again! And you expect him to lead the country?

Seriously. Fuck off with this bollocks! I don't give a shit if you declare yourself the Queen of fucking England! FGS. Is this going to be our Waterloo? Where women can pee or where men who declare themselves women can pee? That's the foremost concern in your tiny little mind? That's going to be the question that sends our economy back to fucking prehistoric times?

You do realise that our economy has been described as being on a par with emerging market economies?

Jesus fucking Christ.

OMG. I give up.

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:33

Btw, if I don't respond again, it will be because someone who knows how to define a woman has reported me to MN and I've been banned for not agreeing that it's something crucial at this point. RIDICULOUS.

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:35

I think our economy will go back to the prehistoric times of the thinking of some people who know how to define a woman. FFS.

It's like watching a fucking car-crash. Or two idiots playing chicken in cars. God almighty.

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:39

BirmaBrite · 24/10/2022 21:35

When Rishi Sunak was Chancellor during the Pandemic, did he have total power over decisions he made, all by himself, just sat at his desk with a Pukka pad and a pen, without any input from anyone else ? Did Boris Johnson not have any say as the PM at the time ? The rest of the Cabinet ? Absolutely no involvement from Parliament ?

If you made money out of it, it was the Tory party, if you didn't, it was Sunak.

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:42

Any chance you could summarise this shit so that we don't have to read all of this bollocks?

AutumnCrow · 24/10/2022 23:05

I'm with the Communist Party of Great Britain and the Morning Star on women as a sex class. It's pretty important to me.

Bokkenrijders · 24/10/2022 23:08

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:30

Seriously. Fuck off with this bollocks! I don't give a shit if you declare yourself the Queen of fucking England! FGS. Is this going to be our Waterloo? Where women can pee or where men who declare themselves women can pee? That's the foremost concern in your tiny little mind? That's going to be the question that sends our economy back to fucking prehistoric times?

You do realise that our economy has been described as being on a par with emerging market economies?

Jesus fucking Christ.

OMG. I give up.

Good. Bloody give up. About time. Because women who care about safeguards for women and children will not be giving up. Ever.

MangyInseam · 24/10/2022 23:14

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:33

Btw, if I don't respond again, it will be because someone who knows how to define a woman has reported me to MN and I've been banned for not agreeing that it's something crucial at this point. RIDICULOUS.

I think it's ok to be really concerned about medical malpractice and child safeguarding, even with the economy.

I think it's ok to be concerened about women's rights, even with the economy.

I think it is ok to be really concerned about a party that does not allow its own MPs to seriously challenge the party positions within party structures. Even with the economy, and that one I will not dovetails into the emergence of authoritarian regimes.

SundownOnTheStair · 24/10/2022 23:18

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 22:30

Seriously. Fuck off with this bollocks! I don't give a shit if you declare yourself the Queen of fucking England! FGS. Is this going to be our Waterloo? Where women can pee or where men who declare themselves women can pee? That's the foremost concern in your tiny little mind? That's going to be the question that sends our economy back to fucking prehistoric times?

You do realise that our economy has been described as being on a par with emerging market economies?

Jesus fucking Christ.

OMG. I give up.

If you seriously think it is just about where men and women can pee, then you are a monumental fool.

We will always have fools among us-it is good to have someone to laugh at-but not when their fucking foolishness is so dangerous.

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theworldhas · 24/10/2022 23:54

The UK’s income inequality is extremely high. Those Gini statistics hardly tell the whole picture:

Typical households in the UK, France and Germany have remarkably similar incomes – around €34,000 in 2018. But those similarities hide big differences. The rich here have incomes 17% higher than their equivalents in France, a kind of inequality many can live with.

But no one should be happy with the fact that our poorest households have to survive on incomes a staggering 20% lower than those across the Channel (£14,700 v £18,500). That means higher poverty, lower living standards and no margin when things go wrong, such as a pandemic hitting. The point? Inequality isn’t about statistics – it’s about the lives we live and the societies we inhabit. If you want to level up, it’s not hard to see where you need to start.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/25/in-britain-the-rich-are-richer-but-the-poor-far-poorer-than-in-europe

The UK has quite a lot of extremely rich people. But the poorest 10% and 20% of British individuals/households are far worse off than in (supposedly) comparable countries.

StoneofDestiny · 25/10/2022 00:02

In a leaked video, Sunak boasted to Conservative party members in Tunbridge Wells that he took public money out of “deprived urban areas” to help wealthy towns.
In footage obtained by the New Statesman, Sunak said: “We inherited a bunch of formulas from the Labour party which shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas.” He then boasted about the fact that he started to reverse those policies as chancellor

This is the real Sunak - levelling us up to a developing country! .

Hawkins001 · 25/10/2022 01:06

From BBC

"Mr Sunak's team have said his comments were in reference to the introduction of the levelling up fund and changes made to Treasury formulas on investment.

The government has changed the way it assesses projects by altering the Treasury's "green book", which guides ministers in making investment decisions.

Some submissions to a review of the "green book" in 2020 suggested that the old system relied too much on cost-benefit analysis (how much monetary value can be created for how many people) and that this skewed the system towards building more infrastructure in London and the South East of England.

But as Tunbridge Wells is in the South East of England, changing that would not necessarily help it. It is also the least deprived local authority in Kent, according to the index of multiple deprivation.

The system was changed to require projects to explain how they would promote government priorities such as levelling up or achieving net zero emissions, before considering their costs and benefits.

This means funding will not necessarily go to the "deprived urban areas" where the largest number of people might benefit, but can instead go to more sparsely populated ones that have not received much investment in the past.

During a hustings event in Eastbourne on Friday night, Mr Sunak defended his comments by suggesting that deprivation existed across the country.

Acknowledging the video clip, he explained that he wanted to "level up everywhere", saying that was not just about helping "very large urban cities".

He added: "I believe it's about investing in levelling up in small towns, in rural communities, in coastal communities like those here in the South East."

Earlier, Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen - a Sunak supporter - told BBC Radio 4's World at One programme the clip had been taken out of context, adding: "What he was getting across was why is it that poor urban areas receive significantly higher funding than poor rural or town areas."

He said places such as Devon, Teesside and parts of Tunbridge Wells needed fairer funding. "

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62436193

MangyInseam · 25/10/2022 02:37

That's interesting and really very canny. Those are the kinds of areas that have been most disenfranchised and have switched from voting LP to CP in hopes of a change.

sashagabadon · 25/10/2022 07:28

I don’t live in Kent so have no skin in the game but there are lots of poor areas in Kent. A bit like London it has rich and poor

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 07:48

UnCivil · 24/10/2022 20:04

Do you honestly believe in the myth of trickle down economics? Truss’ ‘plan’ would not have enabled us to “grow our way out”.

who would your choice have been? BoJo? What would his economic plan have been? Or was he still waiting for his instructions from Crispin Odey?

I believe we are now going into a full on recession as Sunaks plan swings into motion.
Absolutely nothing is off the table including slashing NHS funding, energy support and all the rest.

We have a brutal budget come out that has been described as ‘eye watering’ by his biggest fans.

Sunak has decided managed decline is the way to go.

Oh yes the moment of truth has arrived, and mark my words pp celebrating his arrival need to quickly educate themselves on what he actually plans to do, the public are entirely unprepared for what is just about to happen. This thread is testament to that.

A short answer to your question, I believe the party is ungovernable, and things are just about to get much worse for almost everyone in our country as a result. Levelling up is kicked into the long grass. Expect things to get very ugly indeed.

Kissingfrogs25 · 25/10/2022 07:49
  • brutal budget that is now coming out described as
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