Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

[MrsRobinsonsHandprints]

This is not democracy.

It is in fact a balance of all three.

Support packages for those most affected and at the most risk - not absolutely everyone. Targeted support would have been the right way to go
The top 1% could continue to pay higher taxes but corporation tax reduction in my view would have invigorated growth and perhaps a compromise in this area would have been wise.
Fiscal discipline but not of quite as severe as Sunak is planning

I am genuinely worried about people marsha this is so far away from good news, and I am astounded anyone reading his policies could come to any other conclusion. He is very very hawkish.

You're still alive!
Bitter much?

Oh, do you think that it will make some people more inclined to vote for him? I hadn't thought of that element, do you think it would be significant?

What? I think we know why he is there, his FIL was very keen on the idea, I wonder why

He doesn't need to care what happens to this country, he is not invested, he is a globalist. If it goes to shit he has a nice place in the US and some great schools for the kids. He is a plutocrat, thinks like one too. So unless you are also uber rich expect the next 16 months to be very fucking painful.

Key member of Johnson’s cabinet.

Partying during lockdown.
Non-dom family.
Boasting about cutting spending from poor areas to divert to richer ones.

What a lovely “fresh start”!

It had nothing to do with saving lives. It was to avoid the societal impact of excess deaths or excess critically ill patients. If every ITU bed is being used by COVID patients there’s no room for the RTA patients. And if too many people die how to we store and dispose of the bodies?

Listen, you will be squealing for mercy in a few weeks and months from now, trust me I have spent enough time in the company of Sunak and listened to his policies very carefully. Don't say we didn't tell you this was the very worst case scenario for most every day people.

Fiscal correction is very very painful, and especially when it comes at a moment of already intense difficulty. Still, I am sure you are totally immune to the cuts and pain coming our way.

Well what's the alternative?
Who are we going to tax? And how? And when?
You need to weigh up the implications of all spending and all taxation.

There is no painless way out of this shit. He hadn't anticipated war when the furlough scheme was introduced. He hadn't anticipated and oil and gas crisis. We didn't have extraordinarily high inflation nor a massive cost of borrowing (interest rates). When the furlough scheme was introduced, it was designed to keep the economy moving and alive (the alternative was everyone on the dole).

Nobody could have predicted Putin's move really.

Now that we're in this mess, I genuinely think it's very fucking brave of him to come back to try to clean it up - because one thing is for sure - he will get no thanks for it.

I've friends around the globe and all are facing crises (maybe not on the scale that Truss caused, but similar).

You're his friend?

This.

Fiscal correction is very very painful, and especially when it comes at a moment of already intense difficulty.

We know that. Most of us lived through austerity. We’re going to have to deal with it whoever’s leading the government. Or did you think Johnson was just going to magic it all away?

We are in a shit show. We are agreed. Much caused by things out of any ones control, much directly caused by Boris, Richi and everyone
I don't envy anyone sorting it out. And I wont agree with much of what is to come. But I won't have voted for it either and never will
But I would take his honesty over Boris's bullshit any day of the week

I believe Starmer has a magic wand.

The reason that we can't cut corporate tax is that we would have to borrow to fund it. The cost of borrowing would outweigh any benefit of the tax cuts.

To put it simply? The IMF basically had a little word in our ear and said - sorry dudes - we ain't lending you the money.

The Tories got the order wrong. They should have had Sunak as a sensible steady hand to guide the UK through Brexit, the pandemic and the cost of living crisis. Then Johnson to use his “I’m just a loveable patriotic clown” routine to somehow bullshit them to victory/coalition in 2024 in spite of the awful reality. They’ve got it totally back to front and they’re toast at the next election.

This.

Because half the time the public only know what the newspapers say,

Focus will be on balancing the spend and tax as gaps just make things really bad when pound plummets and interest rate rises, so to have any hope that needs to be looked at first.

I think he has been targeted in the past with CoL cash payment, although politically they aren’t worth much as once paid quickly forgotten (he’s too rich etc takes over)

I’m part way with you as partygate was ludicrous and it was obvious what would happen if Johnson went, plus the pressure he felt caused that rift imo as he wanted higher spending as a type of bribe to the public, which also didn’t work. I thought Covid would bring it about too and recognised who would be hit financially later. Basically people demanded stuff that would hit later.

I get why you’re annoyed, he had a mandate and an 80 seat majority. But given partygate happened and many MPs are very emotional about Johnson, plus Privileges Committee I couldn’t see him going down well right now. But I get your point of view to an extent, just diverge at the end.

Once we're all not toast along with them, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn!

Fiscal correction is very very painful, and especially when it comes at a moment of already intense difficulty. Still, I am sure you are totally immune to the cuts and pain coming our way.

Of course it's going to be painful and likely austerity on steroids, however, most of us were fully aware that when money was being divvied out left, right and centre that it had to be paid back by each and every one of us (and the next generation), unless of course you were very naive and spent the covid year(s) thinking the money was either free or to be repaid back by others.

The loan repayments are now due so we all need to 'buckle up' as a PP said upthread. No one from any party is going to be able to pull a financial rabbit from a hat.

Were this a normal recession, I’d be entirely onboard with spending our way out of it.

Unfortunately, against the backdrop of Brexit and the Ukraine, anything other than austerity, immensely painful as it may be, would be a massive gamble that I don’t think would pay off.

I am, however, grateful that Sunak likely won’t hold office for more than a couple of years, even if he was the best of bad options in this particular moment.

It’s not the BoJo Cult part! It’s the Conservative and Unionist Party and (I can’t fucking believe I’m saying this) is bigger than any one individual.

And yes self-preservation. 18m didn’t vote for Boris. Some voted Tory DESPITE him. And for others they would vote for a donkey if it was wearing a blue rosette.

Boris stabbed himself. He had to go. And plenty of cabinet ministers resign without triggering a leadership challenge. There were plenty of others happy to follow Sunak’s lead

@Kissingfrogs25
By installing Sunak - how many red wallers or blue wallers will vote for a billionaire banker do you suppose?

Thats brutal but pretty on the money. The Tories are done and not before time. How many Conservatives MPs actually know what they stand for anymore beyond “Unions Bad, Expensive Property Good”.

there has never been two leadership campaigns in one year before either! They couldn’t take another two months to elect another leader

i would rather eat my own shit than vote Tory but after the utter disgrace of BoJo and the debacle of Truss I’m somewhat relieved that Graham Brady most likely pulled some strings behind the scenes

Johnson was a deluded incompetent lazy lying idiot who in a sane country would be nowhere near political power, never mind PM. But he was also the Tories only effective remaining weapon against a centre or centre-left Labour Party. Glad he’s gone.