Liz Truss has resigned. Part 4: The Desolation of Boris

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Continuation from last thread, for those of us following all the action on Monday.

And yes I'm a LOTR fan, so tried to continue the theme in the thread title 😉

@MarshaBradyo - it's true they disagreed on immigration and on other things. That was a factor. But I do not think she went in the way she wanted. That letter is a problem for her, so she got to resign but she also had to admit something that would be a problem. Neither Truss nor Braverman got what they wanted.

There’s resigning and ‘resigning’.

Robin Cook, for example, resigned on principle over the Iraq war as he did not agree with the direction of the U.K. government. Full speech here

Braverman, was given the opportunity to ‘resign’ instead of being sacked over her gaffes - including Rwanda, tofu and overstay comments, jeopardising the trade deal with India, infringing rules, being “leaky” and generally a liability.

@MarshaBradyo I was looking for something I had read which explained why Braverman had to go. However @sunnydaytoday0 has just beaten me to it, thankfully, so I hope you see their post. It's absolutely not just because she and Truss argued but a much bigger fundamental problem that means Braverman shouldn't be back in cabinet so soon. If ever.

If you like the Times @MarshaBradyo see today’s piece:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-latest-news-suella-braverman-ministerial-code-follow-live-hnlz5hpgj

See also:
https://twitter.com/MPritchardUK/status/1585547851920203776?s=20&t=PYy1AwC5uBFA0QotTeipXA

Its not terrible but it has some dire public services & politicians...

Yes other countries are BUT they are dealing with them better as they didn't have 10 years of austerity beforehand.

Some are decent, some are grubby money grabbers... e.g T.May has become a multi millionaire with her public speaking engagements after being PM.... whilst being a MP, at least Blair resigned his seat.
Or that Minister who rushed through a planning app to avoid the council getting a %, the developer was a Tory donor.... his name escape me.

Do you think Truss well meaning, stupid or a crook?

I'm not a farmer but i do like to travel and tbh, life was a lot cheaper travelling under the last Labour Govt then has been more recently, so my more recent experience is the £ falls under the Con's... but you don't need your father, you export lamb don't you? you should know.

No, what was massively unhelpful was reappointing her after she broke the Ministerial code, and indeed in reappointing a useless person as Home Secretary.

I agree. It looks like Braverman had to be confronted about it, and then she admitted the mistake, wrote the letter and "resigned" because the evidence was clear.

I think the question is whether MI5 knew, and alerted the Cabinet Secretary.

This will lead to nasty questions as to whether Braverman can be trusted with national security briefings. The answer looks like "no". Since she is in charge of the security services, that means she cannot do her job.

Yes, referring to legitimate concerns about this as unhelpful is wtf.

Zahawi said she had SC clearance, thats unlikely and in any case she should have DV clearance at her level as she is handling Top Secret papers.

I ve SC clearance and recently did a reference for someone needing DV, its very intrusive, having been sacked/questions raised over her conduct and found to have broken very basic rules, her SC, let alone DV would be revoked, this would have applied to Patel too.

Its not credible she can have this, so i think Zahawi lied or possibly doesn't even know the levels of clearance there are.

OR the rules normally contractors and employees have to have, don't apply to them.

I think it's reasonable to read my comment on the hopeless of Tory unity, not an endorsement of Braverman. If the Tories have a problem with unity, despite all the banging of the drum on that, it suggest their political, if not standards of public life is way off.

Well that's a given.

@Alexandra2001 - excellent points, Braverman would have had her clearance revoked or should have done!

DV, its very intrusive,

It certainly is. My bloke had to have DV, he was interrogated for three hours and they made me hand my financial details over, despite us having separate finances. It affects a person’s entire family.

Same here! I was a matched bettor at the time and had to hand over my bank account statements! Thankfully the person conducting DH’s interview had heard of MB so didn’t think I was a high risk gambling addict!

He also had to declare that he had 2 friends of Chinese descent, just in case.

Its not just the DV interview, its the whole process, takes months, even with SC.

Everything is looked into and though previous bad behaviour wont necessarily stop you getting clearance, being secretive will.

So given how quickly ministers can move about, i suspect they don't have it and its all done on trust old boy or the security services advise the PM but who checks him or her?

I was a matched bettor at the time and had to hand over my bank account statements!

"They" already knew all about your finances & asked for 'statements to see if you would hide anything at all... i'm not jesting.

No, you’re not. It took forever and was horribly intrusive.

I can't see Braverman lasting long. ALL of the talk since Sunak's appointment has been focussed on her, which can't be good for a new PM. It was a disastrous decision, clearly to appease the ERG. It looks like she probably brought a good number of voters with her who would otherwise have gone to Johnson, so his hands were tied. Awful.

She will carry on saying stupid unpopular things, then she'll do something stupid again and he'll have to sack her.

Blimey, if that was Boris Johnson and Liz Truss being decent people and "trying to do a good job" then they're even more incompetent than I thought. 😞

So far the main news about Sunak seems to be the Braverman dodgy decision and now saying he's not going to COP27. Neither look like wise decisions.

There’s not much news and they’re stringing what they have out. But they should talk about pound being up and borrowing down. On markets’ judgement it’s looking better.

I’m surprised ban on fracking wasn’t spoken about more given the furore at the vote

There’ll be more news when they do budget

To be fair on skipping the COP27, I Understand it’s also close to the G7 (I think it’s not the G8 any more?) which he will be attending which would mean a lot of time out if the country in the first month it two of his term, plus he gets back from the G7 the day of the Autumn Statement so there’s that to sort too.

Apparently Liz had only scheduled 1 day and 1 night of her diary for COP27, I would hope there will be other senior Government reps there.

Re the DV checks, yes I’m sure they already knew and like you say are just looking to see what you are hiding. DH declared everything he could think of including his brother’s police caution for smashing a shop window when he was 15!

£ isn't really up (still below any rate over the last 5 years) and Govt borrowing was double in September than this time last year and thats before energy costs paid for....

Government borrowing costs are still some of the highest in Europe, even France, long since seen by many on the right as a basket case, has 10yr Bonds at 2.4, UK 3.4% Germany, which apparently ... for some... on here is in a huge recession, Bonds are below 2%

All that has really occurred is that Truss's disastrous budget has, to a large extent been undone, this will be completed with the up coming spending cuts, which will be in some cases will be 10% plus ... (exc inflation) so eye watering.

Climate change is the biggest threat we face, even small rises in temp, will cost trillions in mitigation... Sunak isn't the Chancellor, its Hunt 's job to produce the Autumn statement.... & on top of King Charles ordered not to go.... I doubt Truss even knew where Sharm El-Sheikh is.

BUT tbh Cop is dead, no one is interested in climate change, least of all the UK.

I was criticised for suggesting a Labour victory in 2024 wasn't a done deal a few weeks ago when Truss was still in.... as a Week is a long time in Politics...

Polling done yesterday.
Trust on the Economy... Sunak 41%
... Starmer 30%