Liz Truss has resigned. Part 4: The Desolation of Boris

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Continuation from last thread, for those of us following all the action on Monday.

And yes I'm a LOTR fan, so tried to continue the theme in the thread title 😉

I'm not a die hard labour supporter. On paper I should be; working class, work in education, family members working in the NHS, children in state education. I can't say I would vote for Labour in a GE. I worry about the rights of women that could be taken away under Labour's pledge to plough on with self id and changes to the GRA.

People don’t say this [that the UK is awful]. People do rightly comment on terrible situations, for example the understaffing in the NHS, which is dangerous. The UK is in many ways a very good place to live, and people acknowledge that

I used to live in the UK and still visit quite often. I'm now in NZ.

I would say that the standard of living is comparable, with the UK having the edge, but jeez, it's considered just about treason to criticize NZ like British people run down the UK. Up to a point that's a good thing showing high expectations, but it can go beyond that into smashing things up instead of fixing them or realising they're more than good enough. For example, indyref 2014, Brexit 2016, Johnson, Sturgeon's continued turbulence etc.

Truss, Kwartentg and the ERG are not decent people. They are ideologues who have shown themselves willing to bring this country to its knees in order to implement their ideas. Many of the others willingly stood aside and allowed it to happen so long as they retained and protected their positions and income.

Yes other countries are struggling with recession, the oil price and Putin’s war. The difference in the UK is that a small elite have used an already tough situation to try and push their particular agenda and in so doing have made a difficult situation immeasurably worse.

You cannot say that the slash and burn policy of deliberately tanking the economy to establish a new world order is the act of decent people trying to do a good job.

All of this.

I get what you are saying, especially the U.K. part and whilst Truss was a bad choice by members MPs would have chosen Sunak and they are more representative of the electorate.

It’s a shame the same demonisation is being attempted by the left re Sunak and his wife’s personal wealth too.

You cannot say that the slash and burn policy of deliberately tanking the economy to establish a new world order is the act of decent people trying to do a good job. What in holy hell does that mean? It sounds like that episode of the Simpson - The Stone Cutters Club

@derxa - I get you are annoyed but can you attribute that bit in black?

Generally I enjoy this thread so a plea that is stays nuanced. I'm a centrist btw, but I am not interested in it becoming a punch up between Labour and Tory. That would just be like anywhere else really

Braverman in further trouble. Re-hiring her was as poor a decision as it was an inexplicable one.

I don't think it was inexplicable. Sunak has to try to keep the ERG headbangers on side. Unfortunately it's a doomed project, that section of the party is so ill-disciplined and ideological that they're incapable of compromise or of committing to any kind of party unity, as we see from Rees-Mogg's rantings the minute he left the front bench. I suspect party unity will last for a few months and then it will all blow apart again. At that stage there will have to be a GE, as there is nowhere else to go in terms of leadership.

That was @BlessMyCottonSocks

It's pretty bad that Jake Berry is stirring the pot after all those calls for unity. Going on the television to emphasize that she broke the Ministerial Code is massively unhelpful.

Let's see on unity. But looks dodgy this morning

I was surprised when the man who was party chairman only a few days ago has been very forthcoming in accusing someone of multiple breaches of the ministerial code.

Tory unity doesn't appear to have lasted long.

I don’t think Braverman is the only way of keeping the ERG onside and she’s simply going to get fired again. A twice fired Home Secretary doesn’t help anyone.

Not even the ERG.

Good gravy now Penny Mordaunt hasn't turned up to open Parliamentary business and there is no deputy.

Sunak should get to that double quick.

Just to clear this up she wasn’t fired before was she?

She resigned. Imo to write a pointed letter re Truss.

Does this really need clarifying?

She ‘resigned’ because she was pushed, hence the snippy letter.

Yes I’m asking because I’m interested. Why the snark?

How was she pushed? Who by.. i don’t follow every move

The only discussion heard by political speakers was a chance to have a go at Truss after a fight re immigration rather than sackable offence

Yes she was fired in effect- I don't think this was the only occasion. If there is an inquiry, this could get dodgy.

I was quite surprised when her level of security clearance was not confirmed yesterday. Hells bells, she is the Home Secretary!

Why fired in effect? I honestly have only heard it on mn not in general political discussion, Ie radio

The last time it came up just after the letter they were deliberating over why she’d make such a stand

Tim Shipman:
Suella Braverman did not mistakenly leak a meaningless document. She endlessly consulted a maverick. She deliberately emailed a policy doc not yet agreed to her pvt email. Then she sent it to John Hayes and someone she thought was his wife. Then lied to PM about when it was sent
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Links to screenshot of Times story:
twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1584939423703396352

The resignation letter was oddly detailed. It outlined a clear breach of the Ministerial Code.

That suggests that the detail of what was done was known to others and Braverman had to agree. I do not see why any politician would write such a letter unless there was such evidence, because that politician would want to stay on in that role. That is in effect, a sacking

Please don't try to police the thread, thanks. Those with different views to yours are entitled to express them in whatever way we see fit.

The narrative I got from Times radio - which is excellent if you have an interest in politics

Is they had a big disagreement over immigration and Braverman was very annoyed at Truss. Their view was this was a non sackable offence used to highlight her next paragraph which was a pointed attack on Truss.

She wanted Truss gone and it worked, over next hours it collapsed.