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Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?

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sunnydaytoday0 · 21/10/2022 10:40

Continuation from last thread.

By Monday we could have a new prime minister, and by next Friday at the latest.

Will Sunak win this time, or could Johnson get his old job back? Would the Tory members once again go against the wishes of the MPs?

And yes I think Johnson sees himself as some sort of world king..

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Blossomtoes · 22/10/2022 18:14

cakeorwine · 22/10/2022 18:12

Interesting

Kemi Badenoch pledges support for Rishi Sunak
Kemi Badenoch has announced she is supporting Rishi Sunak to replace Liz Truss as prime minister

She wants a cabinet seat. It’s not remotely interesting. It’s entirely predictable.

LexMitior · 22/10/2022 18:22

It's almost as if Sunak has prepared his own little theatre of support which will roll the whole weekend, leaving Johnson with a few crumbs.

Johnson is campaigning now! Sunak obviously did all of that while Truss imploded.

sunnydaytoday0 · 22/10/2022 18:24

Sunday Times reporting Sunak and Johnson to meet

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stuckdownahole · 22/10/2022 18:25

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2022 17:37

Penny Mordaunt will back either of them now if it gets her a place at the Cabinet table. She has used her hair well.

I'm not convinced that PM can deliver her 20 - 25 declared supporters to either of the other candidates just by saying the word. She's probably more similar to Johnson politically than she is to Sunak, but some of her supporters will inevitably be part of the "stop Boris" movement.

LexMitior · 22/10/2022 18:31

@sunnydaytoday0 - that was a story yesterday and today and yet it has still not happened. Johnson probably wants that but there is no reason for Sunak to do that.

Hmmph · 22/10/2022 18:32

sunnydaytoday0 · 22/10/2022 18:24

Sunday Times reporting Sunak and Johnson to meet

What does this mean? They're fighting it out for who is PM and who gets a cabinet post? PM and Deputy PM? Surely neither of them would agree to not be PM. Are they trying to persuade the other to drop out? Why would they even want to meet? Is this story true or something else made up by Boris's team?

sunnydaytoday0 · 22/10/2022 18:34

Tim Shipman
ShippersUnbound
NEW: Johnson and Sunak are due to meet
twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1583868657049796608

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LexMitior · 22/10/2022 18:36

It was in the Daily Mail yesterday and the Telegraph that they were to meet for talks.

More Johnson BS.

Sunak looks to be heading to 150 by Monday. Johnson looks stuck at under 70. Not good for him

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2022 18:41

SleeplessInEngland · 22/10/2022 18:06

Badenoch cones out for Sunak. That’ll really annoy a lot of Boris bots.

The route for Johnson to get 100 noms, included him getting Badenoch share from the last leadership battle:

Zoe Keller AT KellerZoe
Boris' path to 100 backers.

Here is how he can get them.
^www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/21/boris-johnson-100-backers-how-return-prime-minister/^

This article has been published at 1:31pm (on Friday, 21 October 2022), and refers to a moment when a total of 38 MPs had publicly thrown their support behind Boris. He needs the support of 100 Tory MPs by Monday 24 at 2:00pm to make it onto the leadership ballot.

A Telegraph statistical analysis of those already publicly backing Boris gives him cause for optimism. The pool of MPs available from the factions now backing Boris could propel him over the threshold.

16 out of 38 Boris' backers publicly backed Truss in the last race. Boris has got so far over 90% of the previous Truss supporters who have declared on record. Applying 90% to all her backers, Boris could secure 74 PMs from her camp alone.

5 of Braverman’s supporters have declared so far and all have gone to Boris: this 100% would secure 17 MPs in total from the publicly declared Braverman camp. Repeating this for every candidate in the previous race, Boris get 124 backers in total, more than enough needed.

46 of Mr Sunak’s 97 previous supporters have declared: all bar 4 have again backed Mr Sunak. This rate of desertion to Johnson – roughly 1 in 10 – could potentially grant Boris 8 MPs all-in-all.

In the June confidence vote, Boris won 211/148. Yet, 4 of Boris' current backers publicly called for him to resign at the end of his time in office, showing that forgiveness is on the table.

Ok so who backed Badenoch and Braverman previously? It would suggest these are the names to be looking for now (I've put their current position):

Braverman (Second Round):
Desmond Swayne* (declared for Sunak)
Jason McCartney (UNDECLARED)
Robin Millar (UNDECLARED)
Henry Smith (declared for Johnson)
Steve Baker (UNDECLARED)
Julian Lewis (declared for Sunak)
John Hayes* (UNDECLARED)
Richard Drax (declared for Johnson)
Philip Hollobone (declared for Johnson)
Danny Kruger (UNDECLARED)
David Jones (UNDECLARED)
Miriam Cates (declared for Sunak)
Greg Smith (declared for Johnson)
Bernard Jenkin (UNDECLARED)
Scott Benton (declared for Johnson)

Badenoch (Fourth Round):
Lee Rowley (UNDECLARED)
Lee Anderson (declared for Johnson)
Eddie Hughes (UNDECLARED)
Julia Lopez (UNDECLARED)
Tom Hunt (UNDECLARED)
Ben Bradley (UNDECLARED)
Justin Tomlison (UNDECLARED)
Gareth Bacon (declared for Sunak)
Caroline Johnson (declared for Johnson)
Andrew Lewer (UNDECLARED)
Neil O'Brien (UNDECLARED)
Michael Gove (UNDECLARED)
Leo Docherty (declared for Johnson)
Alex Burghart (UNDECLARED)
Lucy Allan (UNDECLARED)
Nigel Mills (declared for Sunak)
Marco Longhi (declared for Johnson)
Sarah Dines (UNDECLARED)
Rachel Maclean (UNDECLARED)
Robert Courts (UNDECLARED)
Tom Randall (UNDECLARED)
Nick Fletcher (UNDECLARED)
Steve Double (declared for Johnson)
Adam Afriyie (UNDECLARED)
Desmond Swayne* (declared for Sunak)
John Hayes* (UNDECLARED)
Bill Wiggin (UNDECLARED)

(*Swayne and Hayes appear on both lists as they switched support to Badenoch after Braverman's elimination.)

What IS noticable here is that we have a significant percent of those yet to declare. So it is very possible Johnson COULD get the 100 he needs.

There are 40 names above. 10 have already declared for Johnson. 4 for Sunak. Leaving another 26. These are really important now for Johnson to get. If he doesn't then it makes it considerably more difficult to get the noms as these are some of those he needs to pick them up most.

Conversely more of these Sunak picks up, the more credibility he has as leader with support across the party.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 22/10/2022 18:42

Not sure why they'd release this photo.

Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?
LexMitior · 22/10/2022 18:44

The list needs some updating. Tom Hunt went for Sunak. Ben Bradley for Johnson.

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2022 19:03

LexMitior · 22/10/2022 18:44

The list needs some updating. Tom Hunt went for Sunak. Ben Bradley for Johnson.

Just seen that.

newnamethanks · 22/10/2022 19:05

Mrs Tishell pining for Bozo. Go Nadine!

DuncinToffee · 22/10/2022 19:10

That photo looks a lot like the one after the Lebedev party trip....

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 22/10/2022 19:11

Johnson looks much older than his years in that photo.

Clavinova · 22/10/2022 19:12

scaredoff
When did he say that?

In January on LBC's Call Keir.

Murdoch1949 · 22/10/2022 19:13

Johnson was NEVER a King. More a court jester. Total fool, inadequate, lazy, liar, shameful in his personal life, shameful in his political life.

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2022 19:30

(((Dan Hodges))) AT DPJHodges
Red Wall MP tells me "Boris's team have been on to me all afternoon desperately trying to get me to nominate. At the moment they haven't got the numbers. They're well short".

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2022 19:56

Dan Hodges at dpjhodges
Some Tory donors being told Boris will not run.

sunnydaytoday0 · 22/10/2022 19:57

I bet he's wishing he had stayed on holiday now..

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2022 20:01

Cat Neilan at catneilan
A One Nation Tory says they are "no less bleak" by Boris Johnson's stalled momentum. "Am convinced he gets there"

MP says he is "closer to 110 at the moment" than current tally.

Says a "mini-survey" of members backed him with 80pc. Tory voters by 60pc.

Rishi Sunak, the current frontrunner, is "probably finished politically," MP adds.

"Rishi loses in any members vote. Whether Penny or Boris. Boris more popular but Rishi is despised."

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2022 20:02

So real confusion still at this point.

Blossomtoes · 22/10/2022 20:02

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 22/10/2022 19:11

Johnson looks much older than his years in that photo.

Really? He’s 55, no spring chicken.

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 22/10/2022 20:07

Blossomtoes · 22/10/2022 20:02

Really? He’s 55, no spring chicken.

If I didn’t know better, I’d have guessed that he was at least 70.

Blossomtoes · 22/10/2022 20:09

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 22/10/2022 20:07

If I didn’t know better, I’d have guessed that he was at least 70.

You don’t know many 70 year olds, do you? Most men my age (70 next year) would kill to look like that. Particularly to have as much hair.