I'd rather donate to help the prosecution

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One of these arrogant idiots who have nothing better to do with their time than glue themselves to roads wants to crowd fund his legal fees.

I'd rather donate to the prosecution!

That's your choice. I don't necessarily agree with this cause, but history shows polite protest doesn't work. If the suffragettes hadn't caused "trouble" their campaign wouldn't have succeeded.

Do as you will with your money, but IMO sometimes needs must. That's not arrogance, that's making a difference/creating change.

I accept everyone’s right to protest but stopping ordinary people getting to work, pouring milk all over the floor of supermarkets and spray painting things, it’s ridiculous. It makes no sense to attack the public you are claiming you want to protect ?!

You already do. Taxes.

So again, the women's movement was wrong to cause the disruption it did to ordinary people?

What kind of protest would you approve of that would actually make a difference? Can you name one that has without impacting people going about their business?

So again, the women's movement was wrong to cause the disruption it did to ordinary people?

I don't actually think it was the disruption to ordinary people's lives that caused the change. And specifically choosing (for example) the King's horse to jump in front of, that's not pissing off your fellows.

Polite non-obtrusive methods of protest don't get attention and don't get results.

If people can't cope with mild inconvenience like a bridge being closed or the supermarket aisle being closed, they'll not deal well with floods, heatwaves, droughts and famine caused by climate change

There’s little evidence that that was the case, in fact many people felt that the suffragette movement harmed women’s rights as it made it easier to print them as ‘irrational and untrustworthy.’ The war hastened the right to vote and the suffragists made headway too.

This isn’t to say that I wouldn’t have supported their actions at the time but it’s not that clear cut. The current protests are similarly alienating many people who would support their cause in theory.

Their rallies caused loads of disruption. No one listens to quiet protest. It takes long enough when it's not quiet.

As far as I recall the sufferagettes didn't stop sick children from getting to hospitals or delay ambulances. These protesters absolutely should be prosecuted.

I don't always agree with everything they say, or everything they do, but the right to peaceful protest is under serious attack in this country, and it is an important plank of any free democracy. I dare say there are a few Iranian men over there who also think that protest shouldn't be seen or heard (along with women I suspect). Change has never come without a struggle. We may not always, as individuals, wnat that change. Or we may not be willing to do anything to get it. But thank God people still care enough to protest, and I support their right to do so. We should not be criminalising protest itself.

Protesting absolutely should be allowed but if they are causing an obstruction, especially to vital services like ambulances, they should be moved off the road and prosecuted if they refuse. They can still protest from the pavement or chain themselves to the railings outside Downing St or wherever. I just have a real objection to people who put other's lives at risk.

Blocking roads isn't "mild inconvenience", for lorry drivers it possibly means spending an unexpected night in the lorry away from family without a clean change of clothes (never mind possible missed deliveries), because someone is clinging onto the gantries or standing in the road.
I'm keen to know how they let blue light vehicles through too, when they glue themselves down - they've yet to explain that one.

You're talking about what happened a 100 or so years ago. Society has changed since then. I'm not sure they would have got the same results these days.

If governments don't negotiate with terrorists, what makes you think these group of extreme activities will have any impact on policies? Instead they look unhinged and their actions pisses people off.

the suffragettes harmed themselves, not others

*activists

they starved themselves to death. they didn't destroy other people's lives.

Here they are 2 days ao blocking a blue light emergency ambulance from reaching St Thomas' Hospital.

do you think that's 'mild inconvenience'?

do you understand what an ambulance with flashing blue lights is doing?

Protesters block Victoria Embankment, outside New Scotland Yard, as an emergency ambulance using emergency lights tries to get to St Thomas' Hospital. A police Chief Inspector tells protesters "it's down to you whether you makes space for it to come through or not" as other officers urge protesters to move out of the road. Some protesters had already locked arms and glued themselves to the road. The ambulance eventually passed. Several arrests were made.

What do you think delays more blue light ambulances every year?

Protestors on a specific day - who moved to let it through?

Or

Single or low occupancy cars, being driven short distances?

20pc of car journeys are under 1 mile. Nearly 40pc are under 2 miles.

Are you as angry about those cars as these protestors? No? Then you should reflect on why that is.

I'd have more sympathy if they glued the MPs inside parliament or stopped them entering Downing Street by surrounding the exits. Instead, they do things like throw mass produced soup at a priceless painting and glue themselves to the wall of a museum?

The soup on van Gogh thing was weird.

I don't think it really helped clarify their message even if it got publicity.

But it didn't harm the painting

I've genuinely never seen a car block blue light vehicles. Everyone gets out of the way as quickly as possible.

As for a 2 mile journey, our local supermarket is 1.9 miles away and according to Google takes 37 minutes to walk. Are you seriously suggesting I try to carry the weekly shop like a pack animal for 37 minutes? Or perhaps spend 1hr 14 minutes plus shopping time doing a small shop every other day?

As for a 2 mile journey, our local supermarket is 1.9 miles away and according to Google takes 37 minutes to walk. Are you seriously suggesting I try to carry the weekly shop like a pack animal for 37 minutes? Or perhaps spend 1hr 14 minutes plus shopping time doing a small shop every other day?

That is literally how my Mum would do her weekly shopping every week when I was a child 40 years ago. Why is it so unthinkable that we might have to go back to that sort of lifestyle? I was the unlucky oldest child who didn't fit on the pushchair so I had to walk both ways - uphill on the way home!

I would genuinely be quite happy for ambulances on emergency calls to run these self indulgent privileged pricks over.
everyone I know thinks they are cunts to be honest and that’s including people who are generally quite green and pro environment.
protest outside parliament, chain themselves to railings outside oil companies (or even inside) fair enough.