I'd rather donate to help the prosecution

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One of these arrogant idiots who have nothing better to do with their time than glue themselves to roads wants to crowd fund his legal fees.

I'd rather donate to the prosecution!

It's not that cars are deliberately blocking ambulances. I assume you are being deliberately dense to make a point?

It's that there are too many of them and they are too big = a traffic jam that delays ambulances.

1.9.miles to the shops should be entirely safe feasible,.efficient and pleasant to walk or cycle, or take the bus if active travel is not possible for you.

It may well not be safe or feasible in your case but that is a policy choice! And policies can be changed. We can invest in safer walking and cycle routes. We can have better bus services. These things have good returns on their investment - the benefits outweigh the initial costs.
That's one of the things protests are trying to achieve - you should be driving to the shops multiple times a week because we can easily design roads and neighbourhoods where that isn't necessary (or desirable).

I also think they are spectacularly stupid if they think pissing off the general public and causing their relatives to die is the way to win people to their cause .

Should not be driving in that last paragraph

Why is it so unthinkable? Maybe because the average house cost is £370, 000, which means an average family must have 2 full time workers to afford to live in it.
Where would women (and it is women, you mention in your post) find the time to go to the shops everyday for groceries.

Comparing these protestors to suffragettes is the most ridiculous comparison I think I've ever heard.

The suffragettes were campaigning in a system where they were disenfranchised. They couldn't vote for policy decisions and leaders who they believed would drive the country forward in the issues that were important to them.

The whole point was that they had to take direct action because political action was not open to them.

So it's ok for children to actually die from traffic induced asthma and road traffic accidents but not ok for someone one in the delayed ambulance to potentially die?

Bit two faced there

@growinggreyer that style of local shopping etc. was mainly dependent upon having one person at home running the house rather than as now two people working full time to afford the house - two people working full time often requires 2 cars as well. Rather than looking for ways to go backwards we need to look at ways to improve going forwards and the thing I find interesting with these groups is they tell everyone what we need to do but not actually the solution on how to do it. Let’s turn off the oil, stop using gas, stop eating meat etc. then what? We all freeze, can’t work and there’s not enough crops?

I like to think I do my bit for climate change, we own land, including ancient woodland and fully protect it. We could rent it out and make money but we don't, we allow nature to flourish there.

I don't think your average climate protester would be able to identify more than 5 species of tree, plant, or moth, maybe 10 native birds?

They haven't a clue, and to be quite honest anyone who blocks an ambulance needs to be in prison.

Oil won't be around for ever

Climate change/ is already part of the problem with food

Plenty of people come up with solutions - from insulation to green electricity 30 years ago to a low meat diet a to less capitalist/consumer based society - 4 day week would give people more time

This society could enable people to live more fulfilled lives - less about continual growth but more balanced - enough for needs not constantly scrabbling for growth , with more focus on what really makes most people deeply happy ( clue it's not stuff from China ) not a society fuelled by anti depressants for the poor and an elite that is seen as aspirational yet shafts most people and contributes most harm to our children future

Hmm it was sheer good luck the suffragettes never killed anyone (except themselves), they set some serious explosions. But they as women did not have access to the vote to change the system. This lot do / they just have to persuade enough people.

This year was hot, its going to get a lot hotter. What are you doing to ensure our children don't inherit a boiling world?

The more they do this sort of stupid shit, the more the government will refuse to negotiate and make any meaningful changes, safe in the knowledge that ignoring this is something the Daily Mail and Sun will completely approve of. It will get attention but the wrong sort of attention i.e. prosecution, loss of protest rights and in some cases personal injury rather than an actual improvement in insulation or alternatives to oil.

Working in the construction industry on alternatives to concrete and increasing take up of passivhaus. Personally veggie, don't fly, electric car and second hand clothes.

I don't throw tomato soup over paintings for poorly paid cleaning staff to wipe up, I don't throw milk over the floor for poorly paid cleaning staff to wipe up, I don't waste food and I don't block ambulances.

A year ago people were grouching about Insulate Britain protests.

Surely now we all recognise that they have quite a good point about insulating homes more and better?

You don't block ambulances and fireservices and you don't waste food on the floor in a manner which will mean someone close to minimum wage will end up cleaning you shite while you feel like you did something amazing.
There are numerous protests from relatively recent history which worked.
Couple of people dressed in top to bottom in oil products protesting oil are not a way forward

This is the sort of arrogant crap from affluent privileged folk who’ve never had to fight like fuck to keep their head above water. And don’t @ me with your pish about womens suffrage either when it’s mostly women and kids this causes suffering to.

Most care workers are women, they’re not paid for their time travelling between clients. Whatever they’re late by they have to make up somewhere. Who cares if they have to stay on till 8pm to make it up. Who cares if they lose fifteen minutes wage if they click in one minute late? Why should their five year old not come into an empty house and sit himself till bedtime. Not your kid so who gives a fuck?

What about the women who have to drop their kids off before going to work and another lateness will mean wages docked and a disciplinary from a line manager? Fuck them too right?

The ones trying to get to the food bank to feed their kids before it closes? The ones on deliveries that are paid per parcel delivered? The ones that get sanctioned for missing their appointment at the job centre? Or trying to get there for a crisis loan coz they’re still got three weeks of fuck all till their universal credit kicks in.

We’ve got one of the worst cost of living crisis going on where even the middle class are peddling like fuck to stay afloat so those on the breadline are going under and these entitled cunts don’t give a fuck. It doesn’t disrupt those with any sort of power to change things. They fire up their MacBook and work from home. Those scrubbing toilets for minimum wage or caring for your elderly and disabled relatives so you don’t have to leave your office job and salary to do it, those delivering your shopping so you don’t even have to get off your arse and go to a supermarket, they can’t do that from their settee. They’re the ones suffering for this shit.

Well said @HighlandPony

Hooligans participating in wanton vandalism.

I don't drive. I've never taken a driving test. My family don't own a car. I walk or use public transport. My children walk to school. It's 2 miles each way.

Now I've answered your bullshit irrelevant attack on me in which you assumed a load of lies, could you please answer whether or not you think the video I posted is acceptable or not?

It's not a difficult question, @MojoMoon

Is it OK for those protesters to prevent an emergency ambulance reaching hospital?

Yes?

Or no?

I shop on foot. I buy small amounts of stuff daily in the shops I pass while walking to pick up my youngest from school, or on my way back from the tube station if I've been working in town. You don't need a car to shop. 1.9 miles is really not a long way, at all (and shouldn't take 37 minutes unless you walk extremely slowly)

Having said that, I think that protesters who deliberately block emergency vehicles should get a mandatory prison sentence. And probably mandatory psychiatric intervention too, because it's fucking psychopathic to do so.

The thing is: I never assumed or wrote anything about you or your lifestyle or travel habits.

I pointed out that cars on short journeys delay more ambulances. I did not accuse you of driving those cars.

I merely asked if you were as angry about that as the protestors.

And yes, the video is fine. Protestors moved. No one in the ambulance died.
Ambulances are delayed by many things that people do, foremost driving when they don't need to be. Protesting about climate change is a more legitimate reason to do it.

I don't know what goes through these clowns' heads, tbh.
It just pisses people off.
Why don't they just try raising money, for, I dunno, solar panels on every roof or something bloody USEFUL?

You're lying. You did not 'merely ask if I was angry'. You asked rhetorically and a an swered your own question. Wrongly.

You wrote:

Are you as angry about those cars as these protestors? No? Then you should reflect on why that is.

Which is not only condescending and irritating, but wrong. Yes, I am angry about cars and pollution and laziness and unnecessary fuel use and climate change.

And I'm also angry about entitled, navel-gazing wankers with nothing better to do than to deliberately obstruct emergency vehicles.

How the hell do you know that nobody died? Don't pretend you have inside info or can predict the future.

What they did stinks, and everyone involved is acting like a complete dick.

No - all of those things about care workers not being paid to travel, about being fined by employers etc are terrible.

But they are not caused by climate change protestors.

They are caused by policy choices. It is the policy choice of successive governments to not pay carers appropriately, boost employment rights, require travel time to count, to not boost the minimum wage and not subsidise childcare, it is their choice not to lift universal credit. It's their choice not to help poor families insulate their homes to cut energy usage and reduce their bills.

It's their choice not invest in good bus services outside some cities, or to provide safe walking and cycling routes to allow people to safely and efficiently go to work, school, shop etc - all of which would reduce congestion for ambulances AND help reduce oil demand and energy usage

We can have a better world - for the climate, for care workers, for children, for ambulance drivers, for everyone.

@MojoMoon
We can have a better world - for the climate, for care workers, for children, for ambulance drivers, for everyone.

Meaningless, sloganeering, sanctimonious, patronising drivel from someone who defends the deliberate and intentional blocking of an ambulance taking a critically ill person to hospital🤮