Are people that want zero immigration racist?

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People that moan about migrants coming to this county - taking our jobs - taking our houses - draining the medical system - not settling in the first country they reach for asylum- they're racist right?

There will always be an element of migration and when you take account of UK born people that leave and non Uk people that enter our country, the net figure is no doubt reasonable. They are often willing to work and contribute to our society and economy - so why the hostility?

Why not accept as a country that we have en element of migration and embrace that, if not because your views are racist?

I doubt it's anything to do with actual race but more to do with the fact we are a tiny island, whose population has grown massively since the 50s and is actually causing many services to be at breaking point. We have too many people.

Zero immigration? That would be madness, not sure anyone would argue for that 🤔

I don't think there are many people who want or expect 0 immigration as per your thread title so it's a moot point.

Well yes.

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@halfsiesonapotnoodle 100% this

Sometimes, but I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule.

We are a tiny Island that’s completely overpopulated and struggling economically. We are not a country fit for immigration and whilst I don’t want zero immigration, something has to be done to stop for a while and take care of people who are already here who desperately need help.

It isn’t racism to be concerned about immigration levels. England is massively overpopulated compared to most other countries and services are at breaking point. You say that the net figures are “no doubt reasonable” but the problem is, they aren’t.

It isn’t racism to think that asylum seekers should claim asylum in the first safe country. That is what they are supposed to do. Travelling onward is no longer asylum seeking, it’s economic migration.

I live in Kent, we’ve had 22,000 migrants delivered to Kent’s beaches so far this year by people smugglers - and that’s just the ones who were caught. All of them need housing and food. All of the support network is full so some unaccompanied children are being placed in hotels - from where many go missing. (Your guess is as good as mine who takes children that no one is watching.)

Labelling concerns about this racist is unhelpful and inaccurate.

Let's be honest most people who complain about immigration tend to be complaining based on the country of origin and the colour of the person's skin. We never really hear people complaining of an American or a German coming and taking jobs do we? So I do think it's fundamentally racist at least in part.

If we are going to provide care then we need to encourage immigration. Our population is ageing and cannot care for itself.

I'd say it's more xenophobia than racism. As an immigrant myself, I have experienced a lot of very narrow-minded views of "this is how we do things in the UK. If you don't like it, go back where you came from". I'd imagine it is significantly worse for other immigrants as well because I am white and speak English as my first language (and while I am Jewish, people wouldn't know that upon meeting me).

Basically, it's the little Englanders and Brexshitteers that keep shouting for zero immigration. So, yes, they're racists, and should always be shouted down as such.

Absolutely. I'm an American immigrant, I can't tell you how many times British people have expressed anti-immigrant views to me. I remind them I'm an immigrant, 'oh I don't mean you'

Schrödinger‘s immigrant. Simultaneously taking jobs and claiming alllll the benefits.

I don’t support zero immigration, I don’t support uncontrolled levels of immigration. Facts are that housing demand outstrips supply, the NHS is broken and schools are oversubscribed. It’s not racist to say we don’t have the infrastructure to accommodate every single person who wants to come to the U.K.

Generally, yes.

Zero, or net zero? I'd certainly like our overall population (and that of the planet at large) to start gradually declining to a more sustainable level.

Spot on.

People always say it's not racist to be anti immigration, perhaps they're right and it's not. Problem is, they then come out with some racist Daily Mail shite to back up their anti immigration view.

My dad voted brexit, hates brown/black people and used to be in the BNP.

His dream was to "send them all back where they came from".

Thankfully he is locked up in a high security dementia home now. With brown and black women caring for him.

I hope they spit in his tea!

We're told that we need immigration. Okay, fine, but then we're having to deal with a housing crisis, inadequate health service, not enough GPs for the size of population, shortage of teachers etc.

I don't really understand how it should balance out. You can only increase a population if you have enough public services surely?

@Cw112 I agree and the Ukraine highlighted your point perfectly.

I've got to be honest I have complained myself because of reasons such as a shortage of school, lack of SH also not all expats come to UK to work. Its not aimed at one particular group/race its just been a general statement of being fed up though

I don't knowanyone who wants zero immigration. It's not practical. However, I know quite a few people who want controlled and/or targetted immigration. Many times it's to do with protecting their own jobs from being undercut.
It's an awkward subject because there's always a proportion of society that says the topic is racist as is anyone who discusses it. And that's why it never gets sorted, and people get discontented and vote for someone who they believe will listen to them without criticism.

I think global population is predicted to decline soon although not everyone agrees. That might be very bad for people, but good for the planet.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

Only an idiot could expect zero migration. That's just completely unreasonable. However, I think it's quite natural and human to be concerned about mass migration. Humans are tribal creatures. I hate how anyone who voices concern about immigration is labelled a racist. I think that attitude actually creates division and racism as people are pushed to the margins et viola you end up with brexit.

I'm not British but I travelled over there for work for many years and was initially completely shocked by the levels of diversity you have there. In some of the areas I visited it appeared to be completely segregated by race. I wouldn't like that where I live. It's not good for social cohesion, erodes shared values and while I don't think it leads to more crime (?) I imagine it raises suspicions/hostilities which could lead to this. The numbers are too great for any sort of assimilation to be possible. I thought it was sad to see to be honest.

No but they do pay their own way and that's the point .. migration is ok if they can fund it but a lot can't and we can not afford to fund it without cutting back in other areas and those areas are now at breaking point.