To not get the Karen’s Diner concept?

[WingsgivenbyRedBull]

So I get that the staff are suppose to be rude and tell you to fuck off to then make you a “Karen”.

But I don’t get why you’d want to be verbally abused and apparently the food isn’t great either - this apparently means I have no sense of humour.

Makes even less sense. Isn’t a “Karen” supposed to be someone entitled who complains unreasonably about normal service? If you’re being insulted to your face by the staff then it’s normal to complain, so that’s not being a “Karen”.

Yeah if I started telling them to fuck off etc surely I couldn't be kicked out?? Haha where would the line be I wonder 🤔

They encourage you to be rude back, but apparently they draw the line at threats or anything racist, sexist (apart from the entire concept of the place, of course), homophobic, transphobic etc.

A diner tried to grab a waiter’s backside when we were there and got told she’d be thrown out if she did that again

So like what’s ‘allowed?’ Can you call somebody a fat ugly bitch? Make fun of their physical characteristics? Call them stupid?

This is what I don’t get about insulting people for ‘banter.’ Why is it not okay to be transphobic or racist but it is okay to mock someone’s intelligence or physical attributes? I just don’t get it. To be fair I’m seriously not a ‘banter’ person (I think it’s just a word used to get away with bullying most of the time) so I’m not the intended audience anyway.

@jetadore

To be honest a Karen isn’t someone who complains about ‘unreasonable service’ anymore though. It’s literally any woman who has the gall to complain about anything ever, no matter how politely they draw attention to it. So bad service should just be accepted with a smile, not brought up at all.

I don't know, I've never been. I just looked at the website.

I'm guessing that if it's what would usually pass at a stand up comedy show where they pick a victim in the front row, it'll be OK. So they probably would make fun of what you're wearing, your job and so on, but not something like disability or skin colour.

I think they probably would draw the line at "fat ugly bitch" because that's actually mean spirited and while this restaurant definitely isn't my sort of thing, I think that ultimately they do want you to have a good time and come back. You won't do that if they made you feel genuinely awful.

I suspect they're more likely to tell you to shut up and they don't care if you hate the food than make personal remarks.

Oh okay. I was just a bit confused by reading about what they do online, and the whole thing about how one of their employees got in a bit of trouble online for asking a teen girl if she was filming it for her dad, called her a tart, then called her dad a paedophile. Plus I think he mimed wanking himself off at the girl.

The restaurant apologised after the father took it public, but it makes me think about what’s ‘allowed.’ Isn’t this the whole problem with ‘banter’ culture? It leaves space for genuine cruelty and aberrant behaviour to be brushed away under the guise of ‘oh it’s all just jokes, it’s just Bantz.’ I mean, at the time clearly this employee behaved like this publically and wasn’t called out by his employer or anybody else. So is this part of the culture there? I’d be interested to hear from anyone who has been as to what the normal type of ‘insults’ are.

I guess that’s the thing because it’s always going to be taken too far at some point and the same joke/insult won’t be taken the same way by different people.

I watched a TikTok clip of someone going in to ask for a table and being told to “stand back because you stink of shit”. I mean that’s not clever banter or even slightly funny.