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AIBU to say that Liz Truss didn't answer 1 bloody question

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Tittyfilarious81 · 14/10/2022 14:43

Just watched Liz Truss and she didn't answer 1 bloody question properly she kept repeating the same sentences .

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Remainiac · 14/10/2022 22:44

the80sweregreat · 14/10/2022 22:11

The narrative is becoming more of a living eulogy now on ITV news.
Already Looking back at her short term as PM
I bet Jeremy becomes a caretaker PM.
Not sure about a leadership battle : I doubt anyone wants this !

Hunt will be PM way before Xmas. Funny old world…

vera99 · 14/10/2022 22:52

Remainiac · 14/10/2022 22:44

Hunt will be PM way before Xmas. Funny old world…

He once referred to his wife as Japanese when she is in fact Chinese. A strange man indeed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45005329

Evira · 14/10/2022 22:53

Tittyfilarious81 · 14/10/2022 14:43

Just watched Liz Truss and she didn't answer 1 bloody question properly she kept repeating the same sentences .

She never answers a question. I commented after PMQ’s that I would love a written transcript of questions to her and the answers she gives. Really be able to examine the discourse.
I work supporting members to challenge leaders and this is part of the evaluation we do. Seeing the meeting in print gives members a chance to review and work out if they really got an answer to what they asked.

In my case, the member would ask again or challenge a none answer with another similar question.
Unfortunately, the way opportunities to question the PM are set up, there is no chance for the person who asks the question to ever challenge an answer.

Means the PM can say what they want as the meeting moves on.

DaSilvaP · 14/10/2022 22:58

StoneofDestiny · 14/10/2022 14:44

Just like Boris Johnson then............

General Election needed

Or Theresa May before.
At some point she would answer any question by using the same two words that would make me laugh every time she repeated them like a bot with a straight face.

These two words were so convincing that I couldn't remember them if my life depended on it.

Ah well ... search engines have better memory - that was "Strong and Stable".

Thedogscollar · 14/10/2022 23:05

puddingandsun · 14/10/2022 20:43

I felt sorry for her. Thought she is trying to hold tears back.

She only celebrated getting the country's top job a month ago and now she must feel like the most hated person.

I didn't feel sorry for her one iota. She has crashed the economy and caused untold damage. People cannot pay their mortgages or infact even get one.

She is inept, deluded and out of her depth. None of what she has done will affect her directly. The car crash press conference was testament to her lack of preparation resulting in a piss poor performance.

King Charles words of "Dear oh dear" in their last meeting might well be replaced with For fucks sake at the next.... if she ever gets that far.

Triplecarbs · 14/10/2022 23:14

She’s a fucking cabbage!

mogsrus · 14/10/2022 23:17

She’s like a continuous loop answering machine.

Greenight · 14/10/2022 23:17

All senior politicians are trained to do that. Basically the media will show whichever video clip they think sells the best. So if the politician wants their actual top priority message to be the one that’s broadcast, they just repeat it in answer to every question. The media hate it but do end up using that, clip cos they have nothing else to broadcast.

They all do it, Rishi did a very irritating interview like that recently.

It’s part of the problem that we don’t vote for the politicians we like best, we vote for the ones that come over best on tv, and the media have so much control over that.

vera99 · 14/10/2022 23:17

From the Times looking like KK has filled his bucket with ordure and is poring it over her head.

Kwasi Kwarteng thinks Liz Truss will be gone within weeks
Tory MPs are circling the wagons, ousted chancellor believes
Steven Swinford, Political Editor Oliver Wright, Policy Editor Geraldine Scott, Henry Zeffman
Friday October 14 2022, 9.30pm BST, The Times

Kwasi Kwarteng believes that Liz Truss has bought herself just “a few weeks” by sacking him and reversing her budget because the “wagons are circling” on the end of her premiership.
The prime minister mounted a desperate attempt for survival as she told her chancellor that he had to go to restore market confidence and also reversed her pledge to freeze corporation tax.
In a sign of her political weakness she turned to the former foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt, a Rishi Sunak supporter who was excluded when she named her cabinet last month, to succeed Kwarteng as chancellor.
Hunt will have to draw up plans to balance the government books before a fiscal statement at the end of the month. Forecasts by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility are said to be “dire” and suggest that there will be a £60 billion hole in the public finances by 2026-27.
Truss’s decision to raise corporation tax next year from 19 per cent to 25 per cent will raise £17 billion, meaning that public spending cuts of up to £40 billion will still be required to balance the books. Officials believe that this will make untenable Truss’s claim that there will be no return to austerity.
Truss said today that she would not resign, arguing that she “acted decisively” to ensure the country’s economic stability. “I am absolutely determined to see through what I have promised,” she said. She admitted, though, that the country was facing a financial “storm” triggered by market reaction to the government’s tax-cutting plans.
“I want to be honest, this is difficult,” she said. “But we will get through this storm and we will deliver the strong and sustained growth that can transform the prosperity of our country for generations to come.”
This morning Kwarteng flew back earlier than planned from talks at the International Monetary Fund in the United States

Kwarteng became the second shortest-serving chancellor, having served for 38 days. The prime minister asked him to stand aside at a meeting this morning after he flew back earlier than planned from talks at the International Monetary Fund in the United States. He learnt he was being dismissed after reading a report by The Times as he was being driven to Downing Street.

Kwarteng believes that Truss’s policy reversal and decision to sack him is unlikely to be enough to save her premiership. “Kwasi thinks it only buys her a few more weeks,” a source said. “His view is that the wagons are still going to circle.”
Even inside Downing Street senior officials believe it is a matter of time before she is forced out of office. “Senior civil servants are now openly talking about her going,” one Whitehall source said. “They think she’s had it.”
Ministers and Truss-supporting Conservative MPs also expressed doubts about how long she could survive. One cabinet minister said it looked as though Truss had “given up” while another warned that the government was “hitting a state of paralysis” quickly.

Next week Conservative rebels will co-ordinate the submission of letters to Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee of Tory MPs, to give him a mandate to change the rules and remove Truss from office. They want a “unity” candidate to replace Truss, although there is little agreement on who it should be.
Chris Loder, who backed Truss for the leadership, told the BBC he hoped she would be able to continue but added: “I get the feeling from the parliamentary party and a number of her supporters that it is actually quite difficult at the moment.”
Sir Christopher Chope, also a Truss supporter, said that he felt “grave disappointment” after her policy reversals. Veteran Tories also suggested her premiership was coming to an end. Lord Hague of Richmond, a former party leader, told Times Radio: “It’s been a catastrophic episode and I think it [Truss’s position] hangs by a thread.”
In an exchange of letters with Truss, Kwarteng hinted at the disagreement that led to his departure, defending his budget and saying that the “status quo was simply not an option”.
• Quentin Letts: Truss sticks to the script then heads for the exit
• How Truss’s robotic speech failed to calm nerves — our writers’ verdicts
Truss defied calls to resign today. In a nearly nine-minute press conference, in which she took only four questions, the prime minister admitted her budget measures had been pushed through too quickly and had spooked the markets.
She promised public sector efficiencies and said that “spending will grow less rapidly than previously planned”. But she insisted “the mission remains the same” as she was determined to “get through this storm”.
Truss did not back down from her fiscal ideology and told the country, affected by the impacts of the economic measures drawn up with her former chancellor: “I want to deliver a low-tax, high-wage, high-growth economy. It’s what I was elected by my party to do.”
She added: “But it is clear that parts of our mini-budget went further and faster than markets were expecting. So the way we are delivering our mission right now has to change. We need to act now to reassure the markets of our fiscal discipline.”
One senior Tory MP said: “I have no idea why she did the press conference, it’s made everything worse.”
Another MP said Truss’s demeanour had reminded him of Theresa’s May’s in the dying days of her premiership.
• Longest-serving health secretary, millionaire ... steady hand?
• Matt Chorley: Need an after-dinner speaker? Book Liz Truss today!

Hours earlier Greg Hands, the trade minister, had insisted there would be no U-turn and Kwarteng was “totally safe” in his job. He told Sky News: “I know the prime minister has got total confidence in Kwasi Kwarteng” whom he called “an incredibly capable person, a very, very bright person who makes good judgment calls”.
Fewer than five hours later, The Times revealed Kwarteng had been sacked, along with Chris Philp, the chief secretary to the Treasury.
In the press conference, which was stilted by hesitation, Truss said she was “incredibly sorry” to lose Kwarteng. She said: “He is a great friend and he shares my vision to set this country on the path to growth.”
But she said Hunt also “shares my convictions and ambitions for our country”.

A senior Conservative MP told The Times the appointment of Hunt “buys her a bit of time” but said: “He is now unsackable.” The MP said: “He can now stand up and change everything and she can’t stop him. He can basically undo all her economic pledges, and if he doesn’t undo most of them, then he won’t calm the markets, and then he’ll be the next Kwasi.”
He called Hunt “a safe pair of hands” but on Truss’s future, he was less sure. “The question is, once he’s calmed the markets, interest rates have gone down, do the polls start to recover, or have we had a Theresa May, Gordon Brown moment where people have made up their minds about her?”
He added: “Fiscally, it’s an incredible humiliation.”

Truss did not take the opportunity to apologise to her party when offered and dodged questions over whether she too should stand aside because of her involvement in the mini-budget.
She said: “I’m absolutely determined to see through what I have promised, to deliver a higher growth, more prosperous United Kingdom. We will control the size of the state to ensure that taxpayers’ money is always well spent. Our public sector will become more efficient to deliver world-class services for the British people, and spending will grow less rapidly than previously planned.”
Only two days earlier, Truss had told the Commons there would be no public spending cuts. She said the increase in corporation tax would raise £18 billion a year and would act as a “downpayment” on the wider plan to be set out on October 31, leaving open the door to more concessions. Estimates had said Truss could have had to make savings of more than £60 billion a year by 2026 to cover her plans.

The October statement will be delivered by Hunt and Truss promised it would be accompanied by an Office for Budget Responsibility forecast.
The corporation tax rate will increase from 19 per cent to 25 per cent from April. Smaller businesses will not be hit by the rise and it will apply to businesses with more than £250,000 in annual profits.

The rise in the levy had been scheduled by Sunak, Truss’s leadership rival and former chancellor. During the summer’s leadership race, the prime minister dismissed the plans at least 20 times. She suggested it would choke off investment and growth and risk a recession, and said raising the tax to the same level as France would be “wrong”. She said: “The last time I checked, France wasn’t a low-tax country.”
But today Truss said: “I have acted decisively today because my priority is ensuring our country’s economic stability. As prime minister, I will always act in the national interest, this is always my first consideration.
“I want to be honest, this is difficult. But we will get through this storm and we will deliver the strong and sustained growth that can transform the prosperity of our country for generations to come.”
As she left the room, reporters called out “you’re out of your depth” and asked: “Aren’t you even going to apologise?”

dropthevipers · 14/10/2022 23:39

pd339 · 14/10/2022 14:45

Name me a single politician who does answer a question though.

(PS I think Liz is terrible, don't misunderstand me!)

Rory Stewart. Unfailingly polite and always gives a straight answer to whatever questions he is asked without waffle flannel or bullshit.

StoneofDestiny · 14/10/2022 23:47

Name me a single politician who does answer a question though

Nicola Sturgeon always does - articulate and can hold her coherent arguments in any interview.

dropthevipers · 14/10/2022 23:54

StoneofDestiny · 14/10/2022 23:47

Name me a single politician who does answer a question though

Nicola Sturgeon always does - articulate and can hold her coherent arguments in any interview.

Except when it comes to inquests on how the Scottish government proceeded with the prosecution of Alex salmon against their own lawyers advice. Or answering questions about ferries. Or women.

friendlycat · 14/10/2022 23:55

She was spectacularly awful. Somehow even worse than I imagined that she would be, and I’m no fan. She’s so out of her depth, out of tune and out of any ideas of how to salvage the situation.

It is an utter mess, but one of her own making. She’s obviously surrounded herself with utter lightweights who have no experience or skill which matched with her own ideology that’s fantasy economics and it’s landed her and the whole country where we are.

It is true that interest rates were heading upwards and global recession looming, but she and her ex chancellor exacerbated the boiling pot with their fantasy economic plans of growth backed by borrowing in an inflationary market. Coupled with brexit and all it’s ramifications it was always going to fail.

It is a travesty that at such difficult times (before her interventions) we currently have a lame duck PM and market turmoil on top of other serious issues that were not manmade by her own governing of the country. Her days are truly numbered.

SuperCamp · 14/10/2022 23:59

Kellie45 · 14/10/2022 21:48

If you actually knew anything about economics you would know it was a growth package. Sadly presented in the wrong way.

I don’t know much about economics but I would say that ‘the markets’ and the Bank of England do, and they don’t seem to agree with you.

Questionaboutjoboffer · 15/10/2022 05:37

I am so glad that it looks like she will be going. I’ve always thought she came across as unintelligent and couldn’t believe we would be having her as PM. It makes me feel a bit better that it seems we can’t actually sink this low and she will be gone - leaving a trail of destruction behind her which will affect many people Sad.

(This doesn’t mean I thought the Tory PMs who preceded her were good, and the corruption presided over by Johnson was shameful.)

cakeorwine · 15/10/2022 07:58

This is PMQs from Wednesday

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-10-12/debates/A4F24C85-AC0D-4BC0-BC23-EF09A009FD85/Engagements

This is basically the first question to ask her next week

She seemed very keen on her budget last week. What changed?

"What our Budget has delivered is security for families for the next two winters. It has made sure we will see higher economic growth, lower inflation and more opportunities. The way we are going to get our country growing is through more jobs, more growth and more opportunities, not through higher taxes, higher spending and his friends in the unions stopping hard-working people getting to work"

cakeorwine · 15/10/2022 08:02

And

I want to correct the hon. Lady, because what we are doing is simply not putting up corporation tax. It is not a tax cut; we are just not raising corporation tax. I feel it would be wrong, in a time when we are trying to attract investment into our country and at a time of global economic slowdown, to be raising taxes, because it will bring less revenue in. The way we are going to get the money to fund our national health service and to fund our schools is by having a strong economy, with companies investing and creating jobs.

TreeFishFrog · 15/10/2022 08:06

YANBU - 100%. Dh and I were listening and just saying ‘but she’s not answered the question’. It was like one of those old dolls where you pull the string on the back and it says set phrases, whatever you ask it. She’s on a slippery slope and she’s just strapped on roller skates…

skippy67 · 15/10/2022 08:13

pd339 · 14/10/2022 14:45

Name me a single politician who does answer a question though.

(PS I think Liz is terrible, don't misunderstand me!)

Keir Starmer.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 15/10/2022 08:28

Kellie45 · 14/10/2022 21:48

If you actually knew anything about economics you would know it was a growth package. Sadly presented in the wrong way.

😂Let me know when you're doing your first stand up comedy routine. You're hilarious.

vera99 · 15/10/2022 08:47

A Liz Truss apologist should have an English Heritage listed status placed upon them as they are an endangered species. We need to keep one or two so that future generations can watch them and marvel and shudder that our highest office of state was ever occupied by such a person and as a lesson that it must never happen again. She reminds me of the last Dalek on earth programmed for a world that has gone and never should be.

BalsamicOnEverything · 15/10/2022 09:03

skippy67 · 15/10/2022 08:13

Keir Starmer.

“Asked if a woman can have a penis, Starmer said: 'I'm not... I don't think we can conduct this debate with... I don't think that discussing this issue in this way helps anyone in the long run.'”

jetadore · 15/10/2022 09:05

BalsamicOnEverything · 15/10/2022 09:03

“Asked if a woman can have a penis, Starmer said: 'I'm not... I don't think we can conduct this debate with... I don't think that discussing this issue in this way helps anyone in the long run.'”

A woman can have a penis though. A woman can get cosmetic surgery or whatever and then be woman with a penis between her legs.

Vapeyvapevape · 15/10/2022 09:10

She's an embarrassment, so unbelievably weak and looks terrified all the time.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 15/10/2022 09:17

Oh joy. The penis brigade are out again. We're talking about Truss causing financial havoc and being entirely unfit for office. Whether anybody has a penis or not is entirely irrelevant.