Will Liz Truss really last only 17 more days?

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Newspaper reports as scathing as ever, and The Times suggesting Tories are lining up Sunak and Mordaunt as a duo.

can’t stand the woman but surely she’ll hold on for a bit longer - everyone was saying Boris would go much earlier than he did. And why on earth did they vote her into power in the first place 🙄

It is baffling how he and Truss had the power or authority or whatever you'd call it to make these catastrophic sweeping decisions. I used to think before these ministers spoke that it had all been checked and accounted. Worrying.

I wondered about this too. When they made their terrible tax cut speech, were there hundreds of civil servants in Westminster going 'What ?? FFS !!'

Apparently they got rid of all the experienced advisors in number 10 and the treasury and replaced them with inexperienced like minded think tank fantasists. Even so it is quite astonishing that they could make these huge decisions without scrutiny.

What I want to know is if Truss goes can the Tory party just say “x is now our leader”? Do their rules allow that? Or do we have to go through a leadership rigmarole and the members select someone else? I mean, we know how well that went last time!

In part it is because they didn't call it a budget, so it did not have the same level of debate in parliament.

In part it is because they didn't call it a budget, so it did not have the same level of debate in parliament.

Or needed to show their workings out to the OBR ?

Obviously Labour look like strong favourites for the next election but agree with previous posters that 2 years is a long time in politics and, provided the Tories can find a half-competent (or incompetent but popular) leader down the back of the sofa, talk of their demise seems extremely premature.

I half expect Boris to have ‘gloriously’ returned as PM by the time of the next election. If so, he’ll be celebrated by the Tory tabloids and I could see a redemption narrative being successfully sold.

Its probably a shame for Labour that Truss is quite as bad as she is.

Its probably a shame for Labour that Truss is quite as bad as she is.

No it’s a good thing because it means some Tory MPs would rather face a GE than keep her. It’s a fact generally acknowledged in many parts of the Tory parliamentary party that they’re fucked in the next GE.

It is true that 2 years is a long time in politics.

What happens in the next two years will determine what happens at the next GE.

From what Hunt has been saying it doesn't sound as though life will be substantially levelled up for anyone in the Red wall area or any area for that matter.

Isn't the new policy levelling down?

From what Hunt has been saying it doesn't sound as though life will be substantially levelled up for anyone in the Red wall area or any area for that matter.

And the biggest issue Labour have, is if they inherit this absolute mess, I am not sure they will be able to make sufficient inroads to fix it in 4-5 years and will be blamed by those with short memories and the right wing media.

Oh, and didn't he look happy telling us about austerity Mark 2 ??
Won't affect him. Just the rest of us

I can't see Ben Wallace going far. He fell for Liz's lies - any foreign leader would have him for breakfast.

I just hope that the old red wall voters actually realize how much the conservatives have screwed them over and how let down they have been these past few years.
They may not even like the other parties , but they have to admit that the promises made by the conservatives haven't happened and it's now just the same old same old austerity and cut backs and misery coming our way.

@QuebecBagnet

I imagine that if the Tory parliamentary party agree on a replacement for Liz Truss then there is no need for a leadership contest. And as the Tory parliamentary party is the majority of the Commons, the King would have to appoint that person as prime minister.

I'm in NZ, which also has a Westminster system and it's how Bill English replaced John Key after the other two candidates withdrew.

(In my view the National Party of NZ do it in the proper, trad Westminster way - the parliamentary party chooses their leader and it's not a matter for anyone else.)

Probably not. They'd have had due notice after Truss said she'd cut £8b of civil service spending, and then had to u-turn after realising that would mean laying half of them off. She really is a ridiculous piece of work.

It was nothing short of reckless what she’s done. And those who facilitated her are as much to blame.

I cannot believe that she never showed form for ineptitude in her other posts although that may explain why she was not a favourite among MPs.

Truss and Kwerteng didn’t it seems conduit the relevant people, hence his speech went down like a lead balloon.
The markets went into turmoil, the Bank of England rose interest rates, all the UK
banks increased their own interest rates.
People now have had mortgage offers withdrawn or increased as a result.
If anyone else had done such a reckless act, they’d be sacked, or sent to jail.
Yet Liz is still standing.

There will be no levelling up-we’re going to face huge public sector cuts. All these hundreds of billions of debt will take generations to pay off.

And the furlough scheme was too
generous - I mean giving billions of pounds to rich companies who didn’t need the money aswell as bogus companies who didn’t even exist!

It didn't start with Truss and Kwarteng.

Brown turned on the spending taps in 2001 and claimed he had abolished "boom and bust" only to find himself swamped by the GFC and spending more money than ever. Osborne didn't really address the situation and Sunak's answers to Covid were all from the Brown playbook. Boris was as profligate with public money as Brown ever was.

Jeremy C will not be much better

I cannot believe that she never showed form for ineptitude in her other posts although that may explain why she was not a favourite among MPs.

She did apparently. She was notorious for demanding that evidence that didn’t support her argument be removed from reports. In every ministerial job she held.

Remember, in this country we don't vote for the PM. We vote for our local MP. I can do and fully intend to remind every constituent of the shit show our MP has been through all of this whenever there is an election. I'll be attending hustings, knocking on doors, writing to the newspapers.
Do that in your area. Whoever you vote for, talk about how bad your MP has been, and don't let people forget.
I may even stick a picture of BJ with his champagne next to the image of the queen sitting alone at Prince Phillips funeral on the MPs office window.

So Biden is now making his views known about Truss policies

she is off soon better for Labour if she stays but not for the country. Replaced by a likeable leader, some carefully constructed spin how Truss acted on her own ideas without party backing and they are back in the race. Trailing behind but it’s will not look so easily for Labour to win an election as it is now.

voters can be very fickle and forgiving

She comes over as a complete and utter twit. She is beyond incompetent. Every day she remains in charge is pretty scarey.

@mrshoho

It is baffling how he and Truss had the power or authority or whatever you'd call it to make these catastrophic sweeping decisions. I used to think before these ministers spoke that it had all been checked and accounted. Worrying.

Did you really think unelected civil servants in Whitehall have the power and authority to stop the Prime Minister and Chancellor making economic policy?

Something can be checked and "accounted" but if the assumptions and judgments behind those are dodgy, then the fact the figures add up doesn't mean anything!

To follow on from my last post.... Plenty of people were saying that the assumptions were dodgy, not least Rishi Sunak.... Truss and Kwatang just thought they knew better.

@Maggiethecat

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I know lots of Tories... Tories may be many things, but they're generally not racist like that - they really aren't.

They didn't vote for Sunak because he was seen as betraying Boris and because Truss promised to cut taxes. If the roles had been reversed, Sunak would have won.

Well, how has that worked out for them…

Obviously it's worked out shit for them. They were idiotic and naive to vote for Truss. Doesn't mean they're so racist they won't vote for someone with an Asian background though.