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To wonder why some people don't work full-time?

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donniedarko89 · 13/10/2022 17:16

I was part-time myself while DD was very young as I wanted to spend time with her. I know many mums however who have stayed part time even after the kids go to school. They only work 2 or 3 days a week. The thing is, they're not loaded, on the contrary they keep complaining that finances are tight and they can't afford stuff - then why not increase your work days (they could all easily do it)? Some of them even have a cleaner. No hobbies on the side either. It genuinely puzzles me!

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suddenlysore · 13/10/2022 21:26

PinkSyCo · 13/10/2022 21:20

It genuinely puzzles me when parents chose to work all the hours God sends rather than spend time with their kids, but it takes all sorts I suppose.

I think you are very ignorant if you really think it's a choice and a wish to work rather than spend time with their children.

I'm assuming you apply that notion to all the husband of wife's on this thread who work full time as well - they just don't want to be with their wife and children.....all of them? Ok.

ambermorning · 13/10/2022 21:27

"work FT because they hate being with their kids too much / feel overwhelmed / don't understand the point

Really?

Is that why your oh works full time?"

Yes, partly. He would be overwhelmed if he was at home with kids all day. He would really struggle. I think he would hate it actually and become depressed. It takes a certain type of resilience and not everyone has it.

I would be overwhelmed doing his job. I would really struggle. I think I would hate it actually and become depressed. It takes a certain type of resilience and not everyone has it.

Its almost as if people are... different.

Wudgy · 13/10/2022 21:28

Interesting thoughts on this, I work part time job share currently 2 days but many extra hours in the evenings as my job can’t be done in 2 days well. my job share is male and he reduced his hours to mind him children and everyone talks about how wonderful he is for this…. But women just have to get on with it and definitely some thinking she’s a bit lazy…
Truth be told I don’t Ever want to work full time again if possible well at least not in my current job - it’s manageable because it’s 2 days but Anymore and I’d need to look for a new job stress wise.

I have several friends that work full time and il be honest I am JEALOUS sometimes. I find days with 3 small children hard hard hard, my house is trashed, my sanity is trashed and I am touched out by bedtime. A great friend of mine collects her kids from daycare at 6pm, they’ve had their dinner already so it’s lovely catch up and get ready for bed and kids in bed an hour later! Her house isn’t trashed, yes she too has to get chores etc done in evening but so do I considering toddler can’t be out of my sight for more than 10 seconds in the day !! Weekends she seems so much chilled than me , not stressed out by her kids and genuinely enjoying the time together whereas I’m think 5 days of the week I’m trying to put the day in and getting annoyed / frustrated/ impatient etc . so definitely quality time over quantity much better in my opinion.
currently my job doesn’t pay well enough to even cover 2 kids daycare full time so working more isn’t an option.
The grass is definitely not greener for every sahm!

Gandalfsthong · 13/10/2022 21:30

I struggled to find a full time job that was flexible enough to work for our family (husband commutes so isn’t around to
do any school runs). I am full time now but fear the holidays, holiday clubs are so expensive; my kids miss me being part time 😭

Topgub · 13/10/2022 21:31

@ChangeOver22

Which did your oh pick?

Making money or loving his children?

Quackpot · 13/10/2022 21:31

Oh dear.

People value different things.
People have different needs.
People have different priorities.
People have different constraints upon them.

You don't know what's really happening in their lives, no matter how well you think you know them.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 13/10/2022 21:31

😂

Pumpkinspiceandallthingsnice · 13/10/2022 21:32

Gosh these threads always turn into mud slinging stuff n both sides.

You're either a complete airhead who 'sits at home' sponging off your husband, who by the way is definitely going to leave you desolate because you will forever be incapable of coping on your own after you've worked part time.

Otherwise you're a heartless witch who never sees your children and shouldn't have had them.

Can't people just be trusted to be doing their best for their own lives and families?

Socrates100 · 13/10/2022 21:35

I think there's something here about not judging other people. I have 3 DC, plus busy husband, house and dog. I have two businesses and I work non stop from 8am until 3.50, Monday - Thursday (with a dog walk sometime in the middle) when I leave to collect them from school. My school run in the evening can be anything from 1 -2.30 hours whilst I take drop and collect them from their various after school activities. Then I work again in the evenings once they are in bed. On Fridays, I do the food shopping, clean the house and occasionally meet a friend for a coffee. Out of term time I work less, which I can do because I can adapt what I do to fit around school holidays. I'm not a big earner but I do what I do to focus on my children. But reading other people's threads and emails I wonder if people would judge me because I only work part time?

What I'm saying is that you can't always tell from the outside what people are or aren't doing or what their priorities are.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 13/10/2022 21:35

@Eurydice84 I don't work full time, I work 18 hours a week, because I can afford to, (and it helps that my job pays well.) I work part time because I LOVE lots of free time, I have friends, hobbies and interests, and pets, and family that keep me busy!

I don't buy it for a SECOND that all the people you no have no hobbies. NO-ONE has 'no hobbies.'

Also, my daughter is in her mid 20s, and I STILL 'only' work part time. And I always will. Does that annoy you? I hope so. Grin

Iamthewombat · 13/10/2022 21:35

Pumpkinspiceandallthingsnice · 13/10/2022 21:32

Gosh these threads always turn into mud slinging stuff n both sides.

You're either a complete airhead who 'sits at home' sponging off your husband, who by the way is definitely going to leave you desolate because you will forever be incapable of coping on your own after you've worked part time.

Otherwise you're a heartless witch who never sees your children and shouldn't have had them.

Can't people just be trusted to be doing their best for their own lives and families?

Aren’t you the one who called the OP “really thick” earlier in the thread? Glass houses!

PinkSyCo · 13/10/2022 21:36

Darbs76 · 13/10/2022 21:24

Erm to meet ends meet? That’s one reason for you to mull over so your not quite as puzzled

Erm the one’s I know could forgo one of their many foreign holidays, get a smaller house or even just turn their heating down a notch.

PinkSyCo · 13/10/2022 21:39

suddenlysore · 13/10/2022 21:26

I think you are very ignorant if you really think it's a choice and a wish to work rather than spend time with their children.

I'm assuming you apply that notion to all the husband of wife's on this thread who work full time as well - they just don't want to be with their wife and children.....all of them? Ok.

In many (not all) cases it is a choice though because people these days want it all).
And yes I apply the notion to the father too, hence I said ‘parents’.

Pumpkinspiceandallthingsnice · 13/10/2022 21:40

Because it's pretty obvious why some people work part time and others work full time.

ambermorning · 13/10/2022 21:40

Topgub

What are you taking about?

You claim women working has nothing to do with how they feel about their children. I agree with that (except in a small proportion of cases where mums du use work to 'escape'). But then you say all men who work don't love their kids and are all using work to 'escape.'

This is very disordered thinking.

Everyone loves their kids. But people feel inclined to express it in different ways. SAH is not for everyone. Many women and men would not cope with it. But that's ok. Other women (and men, though to a lesser extent) feel really conflicted about using childcare or being away from their kids. That is also ok. Each to their own.

Dibbydoos · 13/10/2022 21:41

I agree if money is tight you tighten your belt and/or cut your cloth. If you can't do either you seek more earning opportunities.

I don't listen to people who complain about stuff like this tbh. If they don't care enough to sort their issues out, why should you bother listening?

donniedarko89 · 13/10/2022 21:41

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 13/10/2022 21:35

@Eurydice84 I don't work full time, I work 18 hours a week, because I can afford to, (and it helps that my job pays well.) I work part time because I LOVE lots of free time, I have friends, hobbies and interests, and pets, and family that keep me busy!

I don't buy it for a SECOND that all the people you no have no hobbies. NO-ONE has 'no hobbies.'

Also, my daughter is in her mid 20s, and I STILL 'only' work part time. And I always will. Does that annoy you? I hope so. Grin

It's great you can afford working PT @WWhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps. Your job pays well and you can enjoy free time. It really doesn't annoy me in the slightest. The people whom I was referring to, however, are not so comfortable.

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WombatChocolate · 13/10/2022 21:42

I suppose an interesting question, is whether those who work part time (mostly women but not all) would choose to work full time, if their OH did much more of the childcare and domestic stuff.

A reasonable question is whether the part timers (often women) do it becaue otherwise they work full time and then do all the domestic stuff and childcare too….and it’s the total that is too much. By being part-time, the overall workload of earning money and other stuff is somehow evened out.

In purely financial terms, if all jobs could be done part time and promotions available equally to full and part timers, it probably works better for 2 adults to do 4 days a week each and totally split the childcare and other domestic jobs. There would be less tax and more flexibility. However, this isn’t the way things work out. It’s still the case that most decent promotions are more available to full timers. In order to have a full timer, many families decide the only way to manage and facilitate that is for the other person to be part time. On one level that’s seen as a financial disaster for the part timer. People talk if sacrificed career progression, pension smaller, risks of poverty if divorce happens. I think these all apply much more if someone totally gives up work and significantly less so to someone who works part time. It’s true that these downsides exist and it could be said that women are forced into them by the need to facilitate a full timer and also the fact that even if they were full time the domestic workload would in reality fall on them. Perhaps if that domestic workload wouldn’t all fall to them, or mostly fall to them, more women would work full time and choose to. But I wonder. I think that even when some factor in oension loss, career stalling etc etc, many women (and men) would still choose to be part time, and it is a valid choice. Some people highly value that time with small children, time at home and even like domestic stuff when there’s time to do it and willingly and knowingly sacrifice money and career progression and pension for it. It’s often a thought out out choice.

What about men? Is it a thought out choice ir even a real choice ? Mostly I think it is. Perhaps these days opportunities have opened up to women meaning there are several options - full time work, part time work plus childcare/domestic , full time at home. All are socially acceptable and normal today. We all know people who do all of them. We probably know less men who do each of these. So maybe for men to choose to be part time or full time at home involves more of a move against societal norms than for women. It doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Lots of men would consider part time and being stay at home, but actually just prefer to be at work and aren’t drawn to the childcare and domestic stuff. Perhaps they don’t feel the need to work part time if when they get home from full time, they don’t do an equal share of domestic stuff anyway, even if their spouse always works full time. They will be some who are resentful of working full time and would like to do something different, but old values tell them that as a man they must work full time and provide….so they do, but resent it. It’s a shame when anyone resents what they are doing.

Again, there’s no right solution, only people talking through the options and what is possible financially and what people would like to do….and being honest and open to aall the various permutations available. Perhaps people don’t investigate and look into all the options and so choose from a more limited range than possible.

Most women in here who are part time seem happy with it. It could be that they are all subject to the constructs of society and are in a weak position financially because of the way society is structured and the fact most domestic work and childcare falls in women, making being part time in paid work feel necessary to get any balance in life. That could all be true…and at the same time, women might be happy with the status quo, as most people through history actually are…living with what they know and oblivious to the forces that hold them where they are.

All I can say is our family are happy with our set up. We have talked about it and what we have works for us. Maybe we’ve been driven into it by norms and values dating back centuries, but we are happy with how we are living and our mix of work/domestic.

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Waitingfordecember · 13/10/2022 21:43

I only plan to work part time when my DC go to school (unless our financial situation changes drastically).

My reasons are:

-I want to spend more time with DC
-I don’t have regular family help and would rather DC didn’t have to go to wrap around care every day
-I like the idea of having time to keep on top of house work and to not feel ‘busy’ all the time

I don’t judge parents who choose to stay at home entirely, or those who work full time. We all need to do what’s best for ourselves and our children.

Flowerpower36 · 13/10/2022 21:45

Wow you sound so salty there! You enjoy your full-time NHS job? More like you’ve got no choice but to work full time and you’re bitter about those who don’t have to!

JemimaPuddledock · 13/10/2022 21:45

I would love to work less hours but unfortunately I had to stay in full time employment so my husband’s ex wife could enjoy the bare minimum of working hours she’d enjoyed for years.

Things are a bit different this year but as our circumstances have changed I’m still kind of stuck in full time. I would love a bit of freedom from work.

Noviembre · 13/10/2022 21:45

Working part time then whinging about money would get right on my nerves. Some people act like a 3.30pm pickup is some sort of career ending event. While the rest of us do a full day and just pick the kids up without the song and dance.

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