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AIBU?

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Some random bloke just started an argument with me. 

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FeelingMoreFreeWithEveryYear · 10/10/2022 14:44

I was just out running with my dog in the countryside near my house. I was absolutely minding my own business as I was determined to run 5K without stopping. My dog runs off lead, until I see another dog, which is rare, and I call him to heel or put on lead depending on situation. My dog doesn't like big dogs coming up to him and a while ago he was attacked by a pack of dogs and I thought he was toast! My dog totally minds his own business.

So, we were going along and these 3 dogs come round the corner without anyone with them. 2 large and 1 medium, so I put my dog on the lead and carry on running. No bother. I'm expecting owner to appear and call dogs back, but they don't. All 3 dogs start circling mine and sniffing his butt and one was in his face. I just carried on running. However, as I ran past the man started making comments to me very loudly, not sure for whose benefit in the middle of a field, about how "isn't it funny how people with dogs are the worst, and hate other dogs" and other comments. So, I stopped and said something about his dogs circling mine and he doesn't like it. Then he made some more comments and by this time I was enraged by this guy who I doubt would be saying all this if I was a man. So I told him I didn't think he was setting his DC a very good example making comments to a woman out on her own. Then he made some more comments, I can't even remember what, so I called him a F* Arsehole and jogged on with him shouting something as I left.

I'm not proud of using this language in front of DC, but I am SICK of men who think they can make comments and just carry on without being pulled up on it. I'm SICK OF IT. If I had been with my DH, I doubt very much he would have said anything.

I know IABU for using bad language in front of DC, but AIBU for how I handle my dog when out, or is he?

OP posts:
Meatshake · 10/10/2022 20:09

Good for you.

IrisVersicolor · 10/10/2022 20:11

Choopi · 10/10/2022 19:50

But what do you get out of it? Like what's the point in swearing in the street at a man or a woman? I wouldn't expect my dh to swear at people in the street either. I get that for some people, like you seemingly, swearing at people in the street is seen as 'sticking up for yourself' and something to be proud of but I just don't see it like that. I see it as you lowering yourself to their level so you and the person you are swearing at become equal, you are both people I would swerve. If that makes me subservient in your eyes then I'm fine with that, I rather be the one that walks away with my head held high than the person rowing in the street. It's just different standards for behaviour really.

There’s a fundamental difference between confidence/assertiveness and yapping aggressively like an anxious terrier.

Swearing at people fields is not standing up for yourself it’s just losing control.

BeautifulWar · 10/10/2022 20:13

He was a dick and you called him out on it, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

IrisVersicolor · 10/10/2022 20:14

BeautifulWar · 10/10/2022 20:13

He was a dick and you called him out on it, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Nah, she lost her rag and got into a ruck in a field.

Eupraxia · 10/10/2022 20:17

The sex of the people involved is a red herring.

Getting aggressive as a means to make a point to another person is not assertive.

namechangetheworld · 10/10/2022 20:23

IrisVersicolor · 10/10/2022 19:41

OP there are twats everywhere, just ignore them and don’t get riled. It’s unstreetwise to get into a slanging match with a man in a field.

This is what I think every time I read something like this. I know OP is expecting us all to cheer her on and tell her this sexist prick deserved the mouthful of abuse she gave him, but all I can think is that you have to be completely brainless to antagonise a strange man with three dogs in the middle of nowhere. This wasn't the time to be waving the flag of feminism OP, this was a time to think about your own safety and getting out of that dangerous situation pronto. Not only did you lower yourself down to this arsehole's level, but you put yourself in a risky situation.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 10/10/2022 20:28

OP was a distance away when she returned fire. She is a runner, she would most likely have left him standing if he decided to get aggressive. And his untrained dogs are hardly going to respond to an attack command. I don't think there is any need for pointy fingers, the OP did nothing wrong.

Choopi · 10/10/2022 20:29

FeelingMoreFreeWithEveryYear · 10/10/2022 20:03

Choopi, it is not about getting anything out of it. This has certainly ruined my day and I will definitely not engage with men on runs moving forward.

Men need to be stopped though. If you don't pull them up, they'll do it again. They won't think, well she walked off with her dignity in tact, with her head held high. That'll teach me. In contrast I don't think that bloke in Tescos is going to be approaching anyone anytime soon. I'm not saying it is the right way to go about it. Obviously a very assertive, non sweary, response is better.

These men do need to realise that it is not OK to pick on women.

But you didn't stop him? He probably just felt validated. His first thoughts about you were right, you were a bitch. I'm not saying you are but I would put money on him going home and talking about an awful bitch that was swearing and shouting at him when he was out with the kids. You can't just 'teach' men like that lesson by engaging in a slanging match with them.

You've ruined your day but I bet you didn't ruin his, probs made his day tbh.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 10/10/2022 20:35

@Choopi You criticise OP for swearing and then post about this nasty man telling his wife about an awful bitch.

FeelingMoreFreeWithEveryYear · 10/10/2022 20:36

Nah, she lost her rag and got into a ruck in a field

I agree, and I won't do it again. I know it was actually dangerous. In fact, I think running on my own like this is not safe either. I usually see no one and I am a bit cagey about someone jumping out on me. I like to take my dog out though off lead.

I don't want to lose my rag again, but I don't think I am prepared to let it go when a man makes comments to me again. Like the man at work. There was nothing I could do. You can't even tell a customer that they are out of line in an assertive way.

OP posts:
BirdinaHedge · 10/10/2022 20:37

You’re absolutely a hero, @FeelingMoreFreeWithEveryYear Some men think that all women are their territory. The man was rude as anything and certainly would not have made the same comment if you were a man - he’d have been too scared of a man punching him.

But yes, it’s a shaking experience. But thank you!! Flowers

Eupraxia · 10/10/2022 20:40

My solution to arsehole dog owners when I'm running with my dog:

  • wear headphones. I don't hear any comments
  • I don't talk (because I can barely breath when running!)
  • my dog runs on a sleigh lead, so I never have to think about other dogs or people
  • if other dogs follow me, it's their (idiot) owners fault. I'm not making any effort to slow or stop.

Worth bearing in mind though - most other dog walkers (and their dogs) are lovely. The arseholes are a very tiny minority. And being an arsehole dog owner is defo not sex-dependant. Men and Women can be just as bad. Mostly all dog owners are awesome tho

Choopi · 10/10/2022 21:10

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 10/10/2022 20:35

@Choopi You criticise OP for swearing and then post about this nasty man telling his wife about an awful bitch.

I criticised the OP for shouting and swearing at someone in public. I swear. I never said I didn't. I didn't call the OP a bitch I said you can bet that the man went home and did though. I'm not sure what point you think you are making tbh Confused

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