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AIBU?

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Is my BIL a CF?

105 replies

xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 12:00

Long one. Bear with. Don't want to drip feed. Recognise that there are many more important things going on in the world but I AM SEETHING.

My BIL contacted me a few weeks ago to ask if we knew of anyone who could rent out a room in London for a few nights to one of his work colleagues. He told me the budget. I checked with my sister on the off chance and, as it was a favour for my BIL, she reluctantly said ok. When we reverted to my BIL he said thanks but no longer needed.

So far so good. Later that same evening my BIL contacted me again and said that actually he might need the room himself, same terms. He said he’d let me know a few days later which he did.

He then got in touch directly with my sister, knocked the price down by 20% per night even though he was not paying out of his own pocket as it’s a work trip (and the original amount in question was way below the cost of a central London hotel room). He also separately told me he would need an invoice for the cost and I said I was sure that would be fine. On the first day he arrived hours later than he agreed with my sister which inconvenienced her as she was leaving that day to go away for a few days. She provided the invoice on his arrival as requested. She left him milk, tea, biscuits, fresh bread, fruit etc to get him started.

He stayed three nights, leaving on Wednesday. By Friday he hadn’t been in contact or made payment. My sister mentioned this to me. She sent him a quick message asking if everything was ok, he said yes and asked her for her international details as he doesn’t have a sterling account. She wasn't sure exactly what was needed so I said "here, just send him mine, I'll explain to him to just make the payment to me and I'll pass it to you."

Saturday - I have received no payment. I mentioned to my DH that I was a bit peeved as it was embarrassing for me. I did not ask DH to get involved. However my DH then sent his brother a message, politely asking him to make the payment, but also mentioning that BIL had negotiated a reduction. BIL then messaged my sister to say he had paid.

Monday arrives - I have still not received the payment.

I am now further peeved about this and want to say something to my BIL but my sister says, it’s ok, leave it.

I mention to my DH again who then says he will pay my sister himself and then he “doesn’t want to hear another word about it”. He has now done this. He says his brother confirmed he’d made the payment on Saturday and his brother was “quite angry about how this has been handled”. DH also says it’s a “measly amount” and is saying my sister is creating drama and is no longer welcome to visit us.

I have pointed out that it is me who is angry with BIL, not my sister - and that the fact is BIL still hasn’t paid, whatever he says! I say that I’m annoyed because I was the one who persuaded my reluctant sister to help him out, that BIL wouldn’t be able to leave a hotel without paying so why does he think it’s ok to leave a private room and not pay for over 4 days, that as he works in a senior role in IT for an international company it is surely not beyond him to have found some way by now of paying for things in sterling in a more timely manner (Revolut??), that claiming he was too busy to attend to this when he had time to send stupid messages, gifs and emails about it over the last few days is not an acceptable stance (by comparison, my DH was able to say “I’ll pay” and then do so in less than 5 minutes), that arguing it’s “a measly amount” so why am I making a fuss and making out that it’s my sister who is at fault is ridiculous, that it was rude and discourteous for my BIL to arrive late on the first day without explanation, that it was mean to knock the price for the room down by 20% when it had already been agreed in advance and that my DH is basically being gas lit by his brother, my BIL, who is only "annoyed at the way it's been handled" because he is now aware that Inknow he hasn't paid, my DH knows he hasn't paid and my sister knows he hasn't paid.

AIBU or is my DH being unreasonable?

Secondary question - is my BIL a CF?

My DH says as he has now paid there is no need for any further discussion. I have said fine and that I will let DH know when the payment allegedly made by my BIL on Saturday finally arrives in my account, and will then reimburse my DH.

Hopefully sterling will still be the currency in the UK by then and the banking system won’t have crashed in the meantime. 😊

OP posts:
Aggypanthus · 03/10/2022 12:04

Yes he is and there will be no money going into your bank account. Your husband is angry with the wrong person.

Roomytrouser · 03/10/2022 12:05

Both your H and your BIL are arseholes.

Xiaoxiong · 03/10/2022 12:06

Your BIL is a CF and your DH should be angry at him, not at you and your sister. It's fine if your DH wants to cover up for his brother's shitty behaviour, but it's completely outrageous that he is blaming your sister for this!

Xiaoxiong · 03/10/2022 12:07

My DH says as he has now paid there is no need for any further discussion

Is he still saying your sister is not welcome?

Xiaoxiong · 03/10/2022 12:11

Also - clearly this has touched a nerve with me - BIL is "quite angry about how this has been handled".

He means he can't believe that two women have called him out on being a CF. He would have wanted it to have been "handled" by you both keeping quiet out of embarrassment, and then to add insult to injury, your DH has decided to alienate his own wife and SIL instead of his tea leaf brother. What a pair of princes.

TulipsTwoLips · 03/10/2022 12:11

It sounds like your BIL does not like being challenged so is trying to turn the blame elsewhere. He is the one who should not be welcome in your house until he apologises.

user1471457751 · 03/10/2022 12:15

Your BIL is a dick and so is your husband. Who the hell does he think he is banning your sister from your home after she has put herself out to do his lowlife brother a favour.

AryaStarkWolf · 03/10/2022 12:17

Yes your BIL is BU and also a massive CF

I'd be most annoyed with your DH in that scenario though, how dare your poor sister be made out to be the one at fault here!

cstaff · 03/10/2022 12:23

Your DH should be taking your side on this matter as it is his brother who is being an arsehole and didn't like being called out publicly on it. They sound as bad as each other.

Amazongirl9 · 03/10/2022 12:23

If it’s such a measly amount why all the fuss over him just paying it. Could DH possibly be embarrassed at his DBs attitude and trying to play it down. At least you know what to do the next time BIL wants a favour.

Fladdermus · 03/10/2022 12:24

Your BIL and DH are both being dickheads.

However, international bank transfers can take a few days to come through so BIL may well have made the payment on Saturday.

cstaff · 03/10/2022 12:24

Here's hoping your BIL doesn't need anymore cheap accommodation any time soon because he has just pissed off the two people that could have helped him out - you and your sis. Idiot!!

Teenyliving · 03/10/2022 12:27

I can guarantee you your BIL would
have been paid a very generous hotel allowance by his employer thst he will have pocketed

BonnesVacances · 03/10/2022 12:28

Can you send the invoice to his employer for payment?

WhenDovesFly · 03/10/2022 12:29

user1471457751 · 03/10/2022 12:15

Your BIL is a dick and so is your husband. Who the hell does he think he is banning your sister from your home after she has put herself out to do his lowlife brother a favour.

I agree with this

GabriellaMontez · 03/10/2022 12:31

Pair of wankers.

IncompleteSenten · 03/10/2022 12:34

I'd be fuming too.

If it's a measly amount then why the fuck doesn't his brother pay up?

Why is it always the person who got shafted who has to forget about it?

Irishfarmer · 03/10/2022 12:35

They are both in the wrong. Why is your DH so defensive of his brother when he is clearly being a CF

IncompleteSenten · 03/10/2022 12:35

Posted too soon.
I also wanted to say that at least you and your sister have learned something about your husband and his brother.

Don't help them out without payment up front.

Sparklfairy · 03/10/2022 12:36

Is your Dh good at paying iñ situations like this one? If so I'd say he's well used to his brothers behaviour and is directing his exasperation at having to sort yet another drama for him. If not then they're both doing the CF thing of "oh it's no big deeeal why are you being sooo pettyyy"

this bit though DH also says it’s a “measly amount” and is saying my sister is creating drama and is no longer welcome to visit us.

No. Just no. And if he pushes it, the only response is to say BIL isn't welcome either.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 03/10/2022 12:41

BIL is a total cunt, but your DH is a nasty piece of work as well, blaming your poor sister and not siding with his wife. A partner that does not have your back is not worth having.

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 03/10/2022 12:42

Your DH and BIL are both Arseholes. Wtf is your H angry with you or your sister? Show him this thread, I think you married into a horrible ungrateful miserly family. I feel bad for you and your poor sister.

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 03/10/2022 12:42

GabriellaMontez · 03/10/2022 12:31

Pair of wankers.

Agreed!! OP dunno how youll be able to continue living with your DH. I couldn't tbh.

thenewduchessoflapland · 03/10/2022 12:50

Teenyliving · 03/10/2022 12:27

I can guarantee you your BIL would
have been paid a very generous hotel allowance by his employer thst he will have pocketed

This 100%;he's definitely turned in the invoice that was supplied.

It sounds as though you're DH and BIL think your sister should have accommodated the CF for free.

She's paid for groceries plus then there's the additional energy costs whichever wouldn't have been used as your sister wasn't there plus the cost and time put into getting the house ready for a guest and the cleaning/laundering of the sheets/towels afterwards.

I can't believe he's banned your sister from the house;she's done nothing wrong and he's not your keeper.

Your DH and BIL are both dickheads who think the women should do as they told and shut up.

girlmom21 · 03/10/2022 12:56

They're both twats and his brother's claiming that room back on his expenses as well!