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Is my BIL a CF?

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xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 12:00

Long one. Bear with. Don't want to drip feed. Recognise that there are many more important things going on in the world but I AM SEETHING.

My BIL contacted me a few weeks ago to ask if we knew of anyone who could rent out a room in London for a few nights to one of his work colleagues. He told me the budget. I checked with my sister on the off chance and, as it was a favour for my BIL, she reluctantly said ok. When we reverted to my BIL he said thanks but no longer needed.

So far so good. Later that same evening my BIL contacted me again and said that actually he might need the room himself, same terms. He said he’d let me know a few days later which he did.

He then got in touch directly with my sister, knocked the price down by 20% per night even though he was not paying out of his own pocket as it’s a work trip (and the original amount in question was way below the cost of a central London hotel room). He also separately told me he would need an invoice for the cost and I said I was sure that would be fine. On the first day he arrived hours later than he agreed with my sister which inconvenienced her as she was leaving that day to go away for a few days. She provided the invoice on his arrival as requested. She left him milk, tea, biscuits, fresh bread, fruit etc to get him started.

He stayed three nights, leaving on Wednesday. By Friday he hadn’t been in contact or made payment. My sister mentioned this to me. She sent him a quick message asking if everything was ok, he said yes and asked her for her international details as he doesn’t have a sterling account. She wasn't sure exactly what was needed so I said "here, just send him mine, I'll explain to him to just make the payment to me and I'll pass it to you."

Saturday - I have received no payment. I mentioned to my DH that I was a bit peeved as it was embarrassing for me. I did not ask DH to get involved. However my DH then sent his brother a message, politely asking him to make the payment, but also mentioning that BIL had negotiated a reduction. BIL then messaged my sister to say he had paid.

Monday arrives - I have still not received the payment.

I am now further peeved about this and want to say something to my BIL but my sister says, it’s ok, leave it.

I mention to my DH again who then says he will pay my sister himself and then he “doesn’t want to hear another word about it”. He has now done this. He says his brother confirmed he’d made the payment on Saturday and his brother was “quite angry about how this has been handled”. DH also says it’s a “measly amount” and is saying my sister is creating drama and is no longer welcome to visit us.

I have pointed out that it is me who is angry with BIL, not my sister - and that the fact is BIL still hasn’t paid, whatever he says! I say that I’m annoyed because I was the one who persuaded my reluctant sister to help him out, that BIL wouldn’t be able to leave a hotel without paying so why does he think it’s ok to leave a private room and not pay for over 4 days, that as he works in a senior role in IT for an international company it is surely not beyond him to have found some way by now of paying for things in sterling in a more timely manner (Revolut??), that claiming he was too busy to attend to this when he had time to send stupid messages, gifs and emails about it over the last few days is not an acceptable stance (by comparison, my DH was able to say “I’ll pay” and then do so in less than 5 minutes), that arguing it’s “a measly amount” so why am I making a fuss and making out that it’s my sister who is at fault is ridiculous, that it was rude and discourteous for my BIL to arrive late on the first day without explanation, that it was mean to knock the price for the room down by 20% when it had already been agreed in advance and that my DH is basically being gas lit by his brother, my BIL, who is only "annoyed at the way it's been handled" because he is now aware that Inknow he hasn't paid, my DH knows he hasn't paid and my sister knows he hasn't paid.

AIBU or is my DH being unreasonable?

Secondary question - is my BIL a CF?

My DH says as he has now paid there is no need for any further discussion. I have said fine and that I will let DH know when the payment allegedly made by my BIL on Saturday finally arrives in my account, and will then reimburse my DH.

Hopefully sterling will still be the currency in the UK by then and the banking system won’t have crashed in the meantime. 😊

OP posts:
xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 13:10

Thank you for all the replies so far....I am scanning but first few seem to support my suspicion that IANBU. However I will read everything later and respond.

DH has said my QuietiySeething family drama usually goes on for at least 24 hours. I have responded that it's generally over in less time than it takes for BIL to pay his debts.

OP posts:
Sparklfairy · 03/10/2022 13:13

DH has said my QuietiySeething family drama usually goes on for at least 24 hours. I have responded that it's generally over in less time than it takes for BIL to pay his debts.

<applause> Grin

he just doesn't want the agg, and neither does his brother. God forbid this could all be avoided by keeping to the agreement!

7eleven · 03/10/2022 13:17

I think your OH is embarrassed and is being an arse.

Presumably you own half the house? Decide which half is yours and invite your sister over to it. You have the kitchen and lounge. Give your husband the spare room and worst bathroom. 😄

How fucking dare he declare who can and can’t come over.

SwankyPants · 03/10/2022 13:18

Yanbu and yes!

FinallyHere · 03/10/2022 13:22

And, for the record, the days of international bank transfers taking days really are well and truly over for anyone who knows what they are doing.

It's a bit 'dog ate my homework' level of transparent lie.

Sorry , DH isn't covering himself in glory either.

Fink · 03/10/2022 13:24

Both arseholes. Your BIL is a CF, and your DH trying to blame your sister and saying she's not welcome is another level of shit. He wouldn't be welcome in my bedroom until he got his head sorted about that and issued a proper apology to me and my sister.

mamas12 · 03/10/2022 13:26

To answer your question YES HE IS A CF!
your Dh is probably embarrassed but he should be on your side

Daisybuttercup12345 · 03/10/2022 13:30

Your husband and brother in law are both idiots. I wouldn't put up with DH attitude about you sister not being welcome to visit either.

Tessasanderson · 03/10/2022 13:37

Pair of tossers.

Please make sure whatever happens your sister does not continue ANY dialogue with the CF BIL. Then wipe your hands with it, i wouldnt even bother telling DH when or if the payment arrives. Call it an admin charge.

One thing i have learnt in life is that CFuckery usually happens again and again. The BIL will be back with another request and that will give you the oppertunity to blank the CF

Quartz2208 · 03/10/2022 13:37

What is worse is that if he has an invoice he has expensed it already for the company to pay - so at the moment he is actually in credit from all of this!

I think pointing this out to your DH and that it is to you who it should be paid which means you are well aware of what hasnt been paid and that this is his family drama.

And the fact that he is blaming you and your sister is not a point I would drop

Novum · 03/10/2022 13:41

I hope you told DH where to shove his idea that your sister (who has been nothing other than helpful to his brother) is no longer welcome.

SummerInSun · 03/10/2022 13:43

Agree with all PP. Your BIL and DH are being jerks.

There is one way in which you ABU, though - you should never have pressured your sister to have a visitor she didn't want. If all these people are travelling for work then their work can pay for a hotel, apartment or Air B&B like all other companies do. My guess is they work for a company that will pay £X per night for a business trip to London and if you are able to find accommodation that's cheaper than that, you are allowed to pocket the difference. Either that or the company paid BIL on receipt of the invoice and he was hoping your sister wouldn't chafe for payment.

EL8888 · 03/10/2022 13:47

BIL is a CF. Your husband seems to want to enable him. I also think he’s annoyed as women have challenged him

@xquietlyseethingx great comeback to your DH

BatteryPoweredMammy · 03/10/2022 13:48

BIL is a cheeky fucker and DH is a total twat. How dare he transfer blame to you and your very kind sister. DH needs to get his head out of his arse and apologise to you.

Never ever do your BIL a favour again and send your sister some nice flowers to say ‘sorry’ for inconveniencing her, paid for by your DH’s credit card of course.

I’d also make it very clear to DH that his blame shifting has landed him on thin ice with you.

Herejustforthisone · 03/10/2022 13:51

Roomytrouser · 03/10/2022 12:05

Both your H and your BIL are arseholes.

What I came here to say. What a pair of cunts.

phishy · 03/10/2022 13:52

Invite your sister round for dinner ASAP.

Fuck DH and his ban on your sister.

Booklover3 · 03/10/2022 13:53

YANBU. Your OH and his brother are idiots. Never do your BIL a favour again and of course if he ever has to stay there again he can sort it out himself as no longer welcome at your sisters I’m sure.

Booklover3 · 03/10/2022 13:53

^^ and invite your sister around asap… sod your OH.

Novum · 03/10/2022 13:55

DH also says it’s a “measly amount” and is saying my sister is creating drama and is no longer welcome to visit us.

By that token it's a measly amount which his brother could and should have paid before leaving. I hope you've made it clear that your BIL is now right off your guest list.

shipwreckedonhighseas · 03/10/2022 14:00

They're an unpleasant pair, aren't they.

diddl · 03/10/2022 14:01

Your BIL is a CF & your husband is downright nasty.

Your sister isn't welcome because she helped his brother who is a CF who doesn't pay what he owes?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 03/10/2022 14:04

Both your husband and BIL are utter twats.

billy1966 · 03/10/2022 14:10

So you married an asshole who has a dishonest liar of a brother who is also an ashole.

Who does the arsehole you married think he is telling you your sister is banned from your home because his cheap, dishonest, liar of a brother has taken advantage of her?

His brother would get it in the ear from me and your husband would be told to not come near me until he apologises for HIS behaviour.

Your marriage can't be great with a husband and a family like that.

Hell would freeze over before I would do anything for your BIL again and I would be hugely tempted to embarrass him professionally.
He will be claiming for expenses he never paid for.
Fraud.
That should wipe the smile off his face.

Hold on to that fury.
I would be mortified if I were you if that was the family I was married into.

YANBU at all.

lamaze1 · 03/10/2022 14:13

If it's such a measly amount why did twatty brother in law knock the price down and still not pay? Your DH is, as others have said also in the wrong here. They should both be ashamed of themselves. I hope he has apologised for what he has said about your sister and genuinely retracted the "she isn't welcome" statement.

Itsbritneybitch22 · 03/10/2022 14:13

Why is your sister getting the blame?

Your husband and his brother are a pair or pricks I dread to think the MIL that you have.

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