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Is my BIL a CF?

105 replies

xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 12:00

Long one. Bear with. Don't want to drip feed. Recognise that there are many more important things going on in the world but I AM SEETHING.

My BIL contacted me a few weeks ago to ask if we knew of anyone who could rent out a room in London for a few nights to one of his work colleagues. He told me the budget. I checked with my sister on the off chance and, as it was a favour for my BIL, she reluctantly said ok. When we reverted to my BIL he said thanks but no longer needed.

So far so good. Later that same evening my BIL contacted me again and said that actually he might need the room himself, same terms. He said he’d let me know a few days later which he did.

He then got in touch directly with my sister, knocked the price down by 20% per night even though he was not paying out of his own pocket as it’s a work trip (and the original amount in question was way below the cost of a central London hotel room). He also separately told me he would need an invoice for the cost and I said I was sure that would be fine. On the first day he arrived hours later than he agreed with my sister which inconvenienced her as she was leaving that day to go away for a few days. She provided the invoice on his arrival as requested. She left him milk, tea, biscuits, fresh bread, fruit etc to get him started.

He stayed three nights, leaving on Wednesday. By Friday he hadn’t been in contact or made payment. My sister mentioned this to me. She sent him a quick message asking if everything was ok, he said yes and asked her for her international details as he doesn’t have a sterling account. She wasn't sure exactly what was needed so I said "here, just send him mine, I'll explain to him to just make the payment to me and I'll pass it to you."

Saturday - I have received no payment. I mentioned to my DH that I was a bit peeved as it was embarrassing for me. I did not ask DH to get involved. However my DH then sent his brother a message, politely asking him to make the payment, but also mentioning that BIL had negotiated a reduction. BIL then messaged my sister to say he had paid.

Monday arrives - I have still not received the payment.

I am now further peeved about this and want to say something to my BIL but my sister says, it’s ok, leave it.

I mention to my DH again who then says he will pay my sister himself and then he “doesn’t want to hear another word about it”. He has now done this. He says his brother confirmed he’d made the payment on Saturday and his brother was “quite angry about how this has been handled”. DH also says it’s a “measly amount” and is saying my sister is creating drama and is no longer welcome to visit us.

I have pointed out that it is me who is angry with BIL, not my sister - and that the fact is BIL still hasn’t paid, whatever he says! I say that I’m annoyed because I was the one who persuaded my reluctant sister to help him out, that BIL wouldn’t be able to leave a hotel without paying so why does he think it’s ok to leave a private room and not pay for over 4 days, that as he works in a senior role in IT for an international company it is surely not beyond him to have found some way by now of paying for things in sterling in a more timely manner (Revolut??), that claiming he was too busy to attend to this when he had time to send stupid messages, gifs and emails about it over the last few days is not an acceptable stance (by comparison, my DH was able to say “I’ll pay” and then do so in less than 5 minutes), that arguing it’s “a measly amount” so why am I making a fuss and making out that it’s my sister who is at fault is ridiculous, that it was rude and discourteous for my BIL to arrive late on the first day without explanation, that it was mean to knock the price for the room down by 20% when it had already been agreed in advance and that my DH is basically being gas lit by his brother, my BIL, who is only "annoyed at the way it's been handled" because he is now aware that Inknow he hasn't paid, my DH knows he hasn't paid and my sister knows he hasn't paid.

AIBU or is my DH being unreasonable?

Secondary question - is my BIL a CF?

My DH says as he has now paid there is no need for any further discussion. I have said fine and that I will let DH know when the payment allegedly made by my BIL on Saturday finally arrives in my account, and will then reimburse my DH.

Hopefully sterling will still be the currency in the UK by then and the banking system won’t have crashed in the meantime. 😊

OP posts:
silverclock222 · 03/10/2022 17:22

Why would a stranger want to rent a room in a strangers house for a few nights in the first place? What female would want a stranger living with her for a few nights either? I think you're all bonkers!

xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 18:45

Xiaoxiong · 03/10/2022 16:30

Ahh I see, that makes sense. Well your sister obviously had the measure of him, so as long as you learn from this then you have nothing to feel embarrassed about.

"BIL obviously got to him" - I wonder how. Sounds like he's wrapped up in some FOG regarding this prize specimen. Is there a golden child (BIL)/ scapegoat (DH) dynamic in his family?

I think that is quite close to the mark, yes.

OP posts:
xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 18:54

silverclock222 · 03/10/2022 17:22

Why would a stranger want to rent a room in a strangers house for a few nights in the first place? What female would want a stranger living with her for a few nights either? I think you're all bonkers!

It may have got lost in the mass of messages but my sister was going away on the day my BIL arrived.

BIL wanted a room for a few nights, she was going to be away anyway so was happy to let him have the whole apartment and was willing to charge him much less than the going rate for a serviced apartment in central London.

I don't know the ins and outs of it, I too would have thought staying in a hotel would be simpler but the fact that BIL was very definite about needing an invoice suggests that he is doing some sort of expense claim. I can only think that he gets a per diem allowance which is more than he negotiated with my sister. But he still needs to provide some sort of evidence that he was actually in London and did actually stay somewhere that he had to pay for.

Or not pay for in this case, as the money has still not wended it's way into my account.

OP posts:
daisy46 · 03/10/2022 19:25

Roomytrouser · 03/10/2022 12:05

Both your H and your BIL are arseholes.

this.

LivingMyBestLie · 03/10/2022 19:32

Roomytrouser · 03/10/2022 12:05

Both your H and your BIL are arseholes.

This. I don't like the way your DH speaks to you. And your BIL is horrid.

Valeriekat · 03/10/2022 21:08

If HE hasn't paid the invoice but has claimed it as an expense it is fraud and a sackable offense.
Employers take this sort if thing very seriously especially if it is on an overseas trip.
I am guessing that your husband knows exactly what his brother is up to.

Valeriekat · 03/10/2022 21:09

If on expenses it won't be pd.

ChaToilLeam · 03/10/2022 21:11

BIL is an arse and your DH isn’t much better, I’m afraid.

Flutterbybudget · 04/10/2022 16:41

My only suggestion would have been to point out that your BIL is not welcome in your home, for at least as long as your DH said that your sister wasn’t welcome. But, it appears that that has been sorted now. But YADNBU and Id be restricting effort spent on BIL from now on.

ICanHideButICantRun · 04/10/2022 16:45

You have married into a family of entitled tossers, OP.

niugboo · 04/10/2022 17:15

xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 14:28

I think he knocked the price down because he likes to think he's a smarter operator than everyone else.

He isn't.

Only he is a smarter operator. Because at best he pushed down the price and you didn’t see it coming. Or worse he’s going to pay nothing. My money is on the latter.

Derbee · 04/10/2022 17:23

You’re clearly blind to your husband’s dickheadery. But next time BIL asks for a favour I suggest “Nope, fuck off. Pay my sister for the room you rented” on repeat

Wholesomelonesome · 04/10/2022 17:35

YANBU!!!
Your husband, however…
Please show him this thread! 🤦‍♀️
Totally unreasonable & his brother sounds like big POS, to put it politely! 🤭
Bless your sister, some good karma coming her way, for sure! x

Thatboymum · 04/10/2022 17:40

Working for a bank I can confirm international transfers can take a while and are a huge pain in the arse. I don’t think it’s unreasonable either for a business if I’m correct ? To take time to pay up. I used to work for a university and at one point we had to get valets done to remove the uni graphics off the hired cars and it took me 3 weeks to get the payment to the company from hr. I personally wouldn’t have reacted so soon and made such a fuss especially not for family but I think I’m maybe in the minority

mam0918 · 04/10/2022 17:40

Do you mean ex DH?

If my DH treat my brother like that when my brother was the victim of his family I would be showing him the door... like wise if he ever had the balls to talk down to me and control me/my family like that.

WiddlinDiddlin · 04/10/2022 17:40

Both of them are arseholes, why on earth has your DH got any reason to be angry with you or your sister?

Purple52 · 04/10/2022 17:46

OP I’m sure you’re wondering why you bothered !
next time let BIL sort himself out.

(you could offer to charge him a fee for each future request payable in advance of said favour and then fail to deliver … but that may be passive aggressive!)

dontputitthere · 04/10/2022 17:48

Good god. They're a pair of dicks

But also anyone who decreed my sister wasn't welcome any more and they didn't want to hear more about it it not a nice fucking man. I don't know why you're defending him. It's pure cuntish behaviour.

Don't defend him. In many ways he's more of a dick than his brother. He's married to you. He's meant to have your back

Yamalt · 04/10/2022 18:02

What’s even more vile about your BIL is that not only has he has free accommodation, that your DH has now paid for, he is now going to claim back the cost of this from his work. So he’s actually made money on this whole scenario.

What an absolute wanker!

Blowthemandown · 04/10/2022 18:10

Xiaoxiong · 03/10/2022 12:11

Also - clearly this has touched a nerve with me - BIL is "quite angry about how this has been handled".

He means he can't believe that two women have called him out on being a CF. He would have wanted it to have been "handled" by you both keeping quiet out of embarrassment, and then to add insult to injury, your DH has decided to alienate his own wife and SIL instead of his tea leaf brother. What a pair of princes.

@xquietlyseethingx this!

Remainiac · 04/10/2022 18:21

He’s not going to pay because he knows that OP’s DH has paid.

sueelleker · 04/10/2022 18:24

girlmom21 · 03/10/2022 12:56

They're both twats and his brother's claiming that room back on his expenses as well!

And pocketing it!

BriocheForBreakfast · 04/10/2022 18:31

xquietlyseethingx · 03/10/2022 13:10

Thank you for all the replies so far....I am scanning but first few seem to support my suspicion that IANBU. However I will read everything later and respond.

DH has said my QuietiySeething family drama usually goes on for at least 24 hours. I have responded that it's generally over in less time than it takes for BIL to pay his debts.

Touché 👏🏻

BriocheForBreakfast · 04/10/2022 18:32

And by the way, YANBU!

deeperthanallroses · 04/10/2022 18:44

Thatboymum · 04/10/2022 17:40

Working for a bank I can confirm international transfers can take a while and are a huge pain in the arse. I don’t think it’s unreasonable either for a business if I’m correct ? To take time to pay up. I used to work for a university and at one point we had to get valets done to remove the uni graphics off the hired cars and it took me 3 weeks to get the payment to the company from hr. I personally wouldn’t have reacted so soon and made such a fuss especially not for family but I think I’m maybe in the minority

I work for big businesses. When we stay in hotels we hand over a bank card on check in like every one else. When we fly out flights are paid for. This is an irrelevant comparison you make, accommodation and travel are not a supplier invoice type of arrangement. If she wants to lease him a fleet of combine harvesters perhaps she can make out an invoice with 60 day payment terms, but she probably doesn’t want anything to do with him, he sounds awful. I find it very hard to believe bil is anything like lovely whatever the op says, he’s a disgustingly entitled twat and her parents in law who let him sell his broken toys to his siblings are part of the problem too. If there are any family meet ups I’d warn Dh that if your brother is a tosser I will call him out on it, I’m sorry he was allowed to screw you over for your whole childhood but he doesn’t get to screw my family over and try and present himself as the wronged one.