Oh will you look at that! A government u-turn!

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AIBU to think this government is now totally dead in the water..?

Wonder what all the Truss handmaidens tying themselves in knots to defend the tax cut will say now..?

The actual tax brings in very little. However, the 'optics' of removing it was a mistake, in my view. The Gov have listened and changed that aspect of the policy.

"A change in the leader of the governing party does not trigger a general election – this has been the case under governments of successive political colours

Gordon Brown was PM for nearly three years. He stayed PM as long as he could (we know how long he was waiting for that position)

If they had listened, they would have heard the myriad of city and economist voices telling them not to do it in the first place

It makes you look more foolish than them to try and spin this as constructive-criticism-taken-on-board-no-harm-no-foul

It is a clusterfuck caused by arrogance

Rees-Mogg at the conference tells an audience that the anger over the 45p tax drop was all 'sound and fury, signifying nothing'.

Being a fucking idiot when only two weeks in the job as Prime Minister is grounds to trigger an election though.

When it comes to Rees Mogg I'm reminded of the beginning of that Macbeth quote "A tale told by an idiot"

In that case we should have had an election a week or two after the 2019 GE

Labour have just started to look confident to win the next election (which shouldn’t have been because Johnson has gone but it is) they need to keep up this momentum they need to get their policies over to the public particularly around Brexit

an election right now when many people are fatigued by elections would likely cause apathy this is far more of an issue for Labour than the Tories

Nowt like a war to raise dividends and bonuses if you've got shares/ directorships in the armaments industry.

No, it isn't. Familiarise yourself with the constitutional process in the UK first.

Money means nothing to likes of Rees mogg
Why can't he see that people are angry over it all ? Borrowing more to plug tax cuts ? Austerity looming again ?
At least a few of them are showing their really true colours now I guess !

That's true - and the Tories complained bitterly that the ethical thing would have been to call a GE.

Suddenly it's not the ethical thing any more because it suits their agenda to keep ploughing the country deeper into the mire.

Well...Nadine Dorries soon turned tail...

10th August on Twitter

'The endorsements for Liz keep coming because backing Liz Truss
is the right thing to do.'

6th September on Twitter:

'I have submitted my letter of resignation to the outgoing Prime Minister.

I am humbled that Liz Truss extended her confidence in me by asking me to remain as Secretary of State for DCMS. I will always show her the same loyalty and support I have to Boris Johnson

Onwards!'

That didn't last a month because....

Today on Twitter....

'Widespread dismay at the fact that 3 years of work has effectively been put on hold. No one asked for this.

C4 sale, online safety, BBC licence fee review - all signed off by cabinet all ready to go, all stopped. If Liz wants a whole new mandate, she must take to the country.'

Oh dear...poor Nadine can't find a PM to suck up...makes your heart ache (or maybe that's indigestion)

When it comes to Rees Mogg I'm reminded of the beginning of that Macbeth quote "A tale told by an idiot"

That's him exactly.

I'm surprised Nadine Dorries didn't mention Ms Truss's Claire accessories earrings !
Maybe she'll join up with Michael Gove and Grant Shapps and join in a bit more back / front stabbing with them.

Never mind, as soon as Labour mention identity policies they'll crash and burn again. All it takes is the pink-haired flag brigade to appear and it's game over.
Again.

That’s the point, that it should have been a U turn, but wasn’t. He ignored expert advice from Dr Kelly, and there was definitely public opposition.

*The fundamental problem with this U-turn is that it was ONLY needed because they failed to listen before the decision was made

They bypassed all the usual systems for sanity-checking - the OBR, leaking to the press, party sounding boards

They pressed ahead because of total arrogance that they knew better than everyone*

my point was the above applied to Labour and the Iraq war as well. And they didn’t even have the decency to do a U turn.

I'm sure deep down even you know that reyling on tired culture wars during a cost of living crisis is, at best, wishful thinking.

There is nothing undemocratic or unethical about a Prime Minister staying in office without calling an early GE.

The Labour party cannot help themselves. It's a core tenement a fundamental now.

What the markets wanted was a signal that UK plc was going to STOP giving money away and tighten fiscal policy. The tax cut gave the wrong signal. Consequently, we've had a populist revolt from within the party and the media trolls.
UK plc still needs to cut, cut, and cut. That's what's coming next.
People are foolish, there is NO magic bullet out of this global fiscal crisis. Created entirely by Sage and that twat Ferguson predicting pandemic armageddon. The other governments also followed similar advice from equivalent experts. Print, print, print. Free money everywhere. People are spending it so fast that the economies are overheating.
Inflationary bubbles are everywhere.
Labour has no answers, however, the cons have lost the respect of the electorate after the lies, and u-turns.

What about when Mr Chamberlain made a speech ' peace in our time ' in August 1938. Just over a year later they declared war on Germany.
My late mum was 14 when WW2 broke out
She often reminded me that it was UK that declared war on them! Lots of people were not that happy at Mr Winston Churchill taking over , my Nan and grandad ( my mums dad fought in WW1) called him a 'war monger . He wasn't universally loved by everyone.
I was opposed to the Iraq war too and I agree that wasn't Mr Blair's finest hour either, but decisions are made and actions taken that not everyone agrees with or wants to have happen , but that's why we have politicians and a democratic government to make these decisions and deal with the bigger issues. They had a vote on it too , it went through. A lot of people were equally concerned about the Falkland war too. Parts of that were controversial too, decisions made that were not acceptable.
No political party are perfect , but maybe this latest 'u turn' under public scrutiny like this might show the government that there is only so much that can be tolerated.

UK plc still needs to cut, cut, and cut. That's what's coming next.

It'd be nice to pretend political ramifications don't exist, but a late-stage tory government trying that shtick again will be voted out.

Frankly if I was a tory voter I'd welcome Labour having a term to clear up the mess. If cuts are inevitable you should want your opposition to be the ones to do it, because god knows voters won't like it.

Well, well if Nadine is saying so then it is safe to assume that Boris is feeling the same. Most of her opinions originate from his backside.

RedAppleGirl
global fiscal crisis caused by SAGE and Ferguson?
What are you on about - they caused the global fiscal crisis?
And no mention of Brexit as a contributory factor?

Does Boris Johnson want another stab at it?
I thought that Nadine D was a friend of the new PM? She backed her , once.
Clearly done a u turn , seems it's catching !!