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To think we’ll have a new government by Christmas?

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WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 01:12

Stay with me here - I know this might have sounded unlikely even as recently as a couple of weeks ago, but thanks to recent events, I think it’s looking more likely by the day.

Does anyone else agree, or am I alone in my thinking here?

I should add here that I’m fed up of the political musical chairs that has characterised our governments over the past 5 years or so, but curious to see if we get a new government over the next couple of months.

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balalake · 02/10/2022 14:15

I think Liz Truss will still be Prime Minister, but I would put money on at least one cabinet change by then.

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WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 14:22

Good point balalake - maybe Liz Truss will replace Kwasi Kwarteng.

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ChocChipOwl · 02/10/2022 14:33

I no longer know what to think anymore

I'm not a Boris fan but I prefer him to Truss. And I'm not a Rishi fan but I preferred him as PM to her.

So Christ knows tbh.

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WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 14:34

Me too ChocChip - I feel exactly the same.

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Hugocat1 · 02/10/2022 14:35

WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 01:12

Stay with me here - I know this might have sounded unlikely even as recently as a couple of weeks ago, but thanks to recent events, I think it’s looking more likely by the day.

Does anyone else agree, or am I alone in my thinking here?

I should add here that I’m fed up of the political musical chairs that has characterised our governments over the past 5 years or so, but curious to see if we get a new government over the next couple of months.

I really hope not. U

User135644 · 02/10/2022 14:36

They'll have to change leader before the next election.

Keep Truss and they all risk losing their seats. Get someone half way competent and it limits the damage.

ChocChipOwl · 02/10/2022 14:37

At least with Boris there was a sense of ... something. A sense of some sort of leadership albeit shit

I look at her and I see Margaret thatcher without the 'stature.' A pound shop Maggie maybe.

Liz Truss doesn't have the X Factor, which other leaders, love them or hate them, have possibly had

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 14:37

User135644 · 02/10/2022 14:36

They'll have to change leader before the next election.

Keep Truss and they all risk losing their seats. Get someone half way competent and it limits the damage.

Yes, good point

ohfourfoxache · 02/10/2022 14:38

I’m just going to quietly leave this here…

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781

ohfourfoxache · 02/10/2022 14:38

^ petition for immediate GE

Damnautocorrect · 02/10/2022 14:39

I fucking hope so. I felt quietly hopeful after the Labour Party conference. It’s the most optimistic iv felt for years.
i want my kids to feel as excited about prospects as I did in the 90’s. Admittedly I wasted them all, but I want them to at least have them

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 14:40

I prefer more moderate conservatives myself , but brexit has muddied the waters.
I've never voted for them, but I can see why people do and they are not all terrible.
It's just sad that that backed the wrong horse this time around when we need stability

User135644 · 02/10/2022 14:46

The problem for the Tories is a lot of pressure will come to call an election if they get a new leader again. Pretty sure Truss will be replaced at some point in 2023.

There's no obvious candidate though. Boris has lost his halo after his own disastrous leadership, Sunak with those embarrassing old interviews showed what he thought of the working class.

The likes of Rory Stewart and more sensible moderates have been kicked out of the parliamentary party by Boris. Someone like that is what they need now, not some hardline right wing zealot who just wants to emulate Thatcher, it's not where the country is. When the shit hits the fan people want socially conscious policies.

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WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 14:50

Damnautocorrect · 02/10/2022 14:39

I fucking hope so. I felt quietly hopeful after the Labour Party conference. It’s the most optimistic iv felt for years.
i want my kids to feel as excited about prospects as I did in the 90’s. Admittedly I wasted them all, but I want them to at least have them

I felt so hopeful too. I’m keeping my fingers crossed they have a chance to get into government soon.

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the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 14:53

Rory Stewart can't run to be leader as he isn't an MP, but if he ever did and became the PM even I would vote for him. It's unlikely though.
I don't think that the country could take another 6 weeks of infighting and hustings tbh. How could they justify it after the long summer waiting for the votes and the hustings and interviews , it would be a complete farce and they know it.
They either have to back her , or vote down the new polices ( is there going to be a vote on it ?)
and ask her to u turn I suppose if it's lost
If it isn't lost, then we are stuck with it and her

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WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 15:00

the80sweregreat I think there will be a vote on the new budget, as I’ve seen posts on threads on here (can’t remember if there were any specific posts on this thread) saying there’ll be a vote when MPs come back from their party conferences. I haven’t seen anything anywhere else though that says if there’ll be a vote.

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RoseyPalm · 02/10/2022 15:19

A Gen Election soon?
Does the Conservative Party have an alternative plan, a Manifesto? No, it doesn't, it can't have because the world changed last week.
Leave her there and make it known not happy with her policies. Perhaps be under some control from Party and Cabinet.
Maybe Rishi could be more sophisticated, but little room to maneuver because of international situations.
There is a fairly credible theory that inflation in USA is at its peak. Germany and France in trouble.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 02/10/2022 15:24

I don’t see how we can have one. The Tories aren’t going to shoot them selves in the foot and vote for no confidence.

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WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 15:25

I’m not sure I understand your post @RoseyPalm - are you saying that other countries have it as bad as we do on the economic front, so what we’re going through is nothing major? (When you mention that things are bad in France and Germany, and inflation is peaking in the USA). And that we should just leave Liz Truss and she’ll be gone eventually?

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User135644 · 02/10/2022 15:31

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 02/10/2022 15:24

I don’t see how we can have one. The Tories aren’t going to shoot them selves in the foot and vote for no confidence.

No chance they'll call an election when the polling is as bad at is now.

BirmaBrite · 02/10/2022 16:12

Michael Gove is still an MP I believe ?

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WagathaChristieMystery · 02/10/2022 16:13

BirmaBrite · 02/10/2022 16:12

Michael Gove is still an MP I believe ?

Yes he is, Birmabrite - why do you ask?

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WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 16:15

NoWordForFluffy · 02/10/2022 15:27

Does that come under: Blackmail? Bullying? Bribery?

Is that even legal in a democracy?! Otherwise we may as we call it what it is: a banana republic dictatorship

TimBoothseyes · 02/10/2022 16:15

It will be interesting to see what happens after the conference this week. Much will depend on that as to what her next move will be.