To ask what people have against Labour?

[TheSmallestOneWasMadeline]

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

You make the state support substantially lower than the minimum wage so that anyone in their right mind would prefer to work than be on benefits.

A massive problem, connected with all the other things, but WORKING for a living should be the main ethos of the LABOUR party. As it was when the party was formed. Somehow it's been taken over by people with other things in mind.

How did they manage that in ten years of Tory government. Pretty neat trick.

Agreed. My FIL is a Tory party member and even he is saying that they’re a shower of shit now. He said he’s going to vote Lib Dem next election and this is coming from a guy who really rated Thatcher and Major, and thought Johnson was the second coming.

Yep we're all rights hoarding dinosaurs and the entire shadow cabinet doesn't know what a woman is.... they can fuck off into the long grass for a good 15 years. They will DECIMATE women's rights if they get in. Take it from me we've experienced the SNPs behaviour. You cannot get women only trauma care after rape in Edinburgh, Midlothian or East Lothian.

Unionism - holding the country to ransom in the past.
The extreme left, waiting in the wings to oust KS and take over as soon as Labour is elected
Their treatment of women
Their treatment of Jews
Their refusal to say whether they are pro or anti-Brexit

The world has changed and I think the balance has swung too far the other way - we could do with more unions to deal with globalisation and zero hours contracts, but the other things still worry me.

Having said that, I'm prepared to risk it to get rid of Liz Truss. She is appalling.

How many of your friends and family are choosing to be on benefits because they’re better off? If it’s that easy, why don’t you stop working and claim?

Exactly, but common sense is irrelevant to the single issue voters.

The fact that women’s rights will be eliminated under them

Love this.

You sum up my own thoughts better than I can!

I'm also very centric. Like bits of both sides of that.

My concern that Labour don't always cut through is not only they haven't have strong leaders in the recent past but also because the right wing media seem to have the largest voice. Starmer was drowned out by Johnson. Not because he didn't have a point or valid points but because whenever he addressed an issue he was responded to by a 3 word slogan Eton common room debate bully who thinks the best way to win an argument is to drown out the opposition using semantics - not to actually argue your point effectively.

Now we are hearing Starmers voice against Truss voice we can see what Labour have to offer.

We just need the general public to stop buying onto what the media tell them to do and listen to what the politicians themselves are saying.

I remember during the leadership campaign with Johnson holidaying whilst being paid by the tax payer and no one running the country - that Starmer was pulled up by various new outlets for not having a costed plan for the energy crisis - oh - and going on holiday! He produced a costed plan it was ripped to shreds for its cost to the public purse.

Step in Truss!

She used parts of the plan slating they costs to the public and then crashed our economy.

Just like they took labours windfall tax plan 4 months after it was written and a week after a 3 line ship to vote against it - called it something else - and ran like the wind with it all because they had to cover up another of Johnson's indiscretions.

Yet I still hear people spouting the lines "Labour would be worse" or "they are all the same".

It's just sheer laziness.

Right now I think that would be just as sound advice to give the Tory's re the far right of their party!

TWAW. don't agree with it and I don't understand why Labour got caught up in it.

I reckon they could win an election with heavy campaigning on saving the NHS. Especially if they show it's the cheapest way to provide health care for everyone (compare with other countries).
They always seem a bit wishy washy to me. And I'm left leaning.

I think long term the ideoligical issue with Labour for more conservative voters was along the lines of the famous quote
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"

Not helped by the "There's no money left" note!

Until just recently (through the pandemic) they seemed to lack any concrete policies saying wishy washy things like "being there for hard working families" and of course being Mr hindsight with no policy directions of their own.

I think most voters don't want hard right or hard left so I think the hate on people that vote differently is quite simplistic. The reality is much more nuanced. Nearly all voters want good public services, good support for those that cannot work and fair rewards for those that do - being better off going to work than staying home/working part time.

I think it is true that rather than winning the next election Conservatives may have lost it as cutting taxes for millionaires making them considerably richer while "considering their position" on raising benefits in line with inflation is too much even for generally conservativr voters. That alongside not costing their budget, causing the £ to tank and painful intetest rates for mortgage holders which just looks like incompetence.

I wanted the Conservatives to do a good job but helping the very richest in a cost of living crisis is pretty unforgivable as it takes from the pot for others.

I wanted Brexit to result in increased wages for carers and health care professionals but it looks like we will ship in labour from other parts of the world to keep wages low. I could currently eatn more in my first day in a well known sandwich shop that after 9 years as a carer and all the training and responsibility that involves.

Lack of housing is awful. Get rid of empty second homes. Requure planning for air b&b. The triple council tax for empty homes is great in my opinion and should keep rising.

I also don't understand why governments keep squeezing landlords out of the sector without providing replacement social housing. Lack of affordable rentals is causing a heartbreaking crisis in so many lives. The answer is more social/affordable housing for all people that need to rent not ghettos of only problem tenants. That's my twopenneth!

Labour has lost almost all its hard left membership.
Most people support strikes now, even NHS workers.
anti semitism? the Council of Jewish Deputies seem to like KS.
Labour have 2x the number of female MPs than Cons, so clearly treat women very well, Truss is hardly doing us any favours!! :(

KS has said no to SM and CU, how much more pro brexit do you want?

Yes to more union power but you said you didn't want that ????

They just seem an uncivilised, uncouth lot.

Going back to removing children from parents. It costs huge amounts to put children into care. Foster careers receive a full time wage. Not to mention the huge costs involved paying social workers, educational psychologists etc etc.
I do believe working people should be better off than non working people but I’m struggling to find anything at all within the conservatives which helps those who have to work.
Punishing those on benefits, whether that’s universal credit or pensions does not help the working poor. I class myself as working poor. I can’t afford not to work.

Because the Labour Party is riven with innate dogmatic class prejudice and outright hatred. They are, quite literally, The Nasty Party.

When did they decimate woman's rights? They haven't been in power for 12 years.

All these cases of woman being assaulted by transwoman in woman's sex spaces have happened on the Tory's watch.

You know - the ones who know what a woman is.

All these transwoman who have been allowed to get jobs of power in woman's refuges have happened under the Tory's.

Unless I've missed it they've done NOTHING to make that illegal.

They've just said the right words and ignored the actual actions and convinced the general public to do the same.

I think one problem is the way they speak about and to Tories, and by extension Tory voters.

I'm not a Tory voter, but I can see how being endlessly and loudly characterised as a heartless ignorant bigot might set one against a party.

* Tontostitis*
Apart from the misogyny, antisemitism, racism, homophobia and toxic namecalling I have no idea

Sorry this isn't about the Tories

Beat me to it 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I don’t believe the majority of white indigenous people care about either:
Jews
Muslims
Iraq
or anything other than themselves.
people vote for which party they ‘perceive’will make them better off. Perceive being the operative word.
Borris Johnson was/ portrayed the image of being a racist. Whether he actually is is a different matter. He won an election. People do not really care. It’s just an excuse to justify their reasoning.

Some of them. I don't do it because I don't believe it's right, or good for a person in the long term. Sooner or later things will change and they'll be up shit creek, trying to get a job after not working for decades.

Angela Raynor jeremy corbyn, the militant left.

In all honesty would you rather have Johnson, truss, Kwarteng and the ERG militant right?

Genuine question (I'm a swing voter so have no particular stake in any side) but I always wonder when people make comments like that if they genuinely prefer what we currently have?

I honestly would. The militant left are evil, evil people. I don't like the Tory right wingers at all. But they'd still be marginally better than having Corbyn and Militant running roughshod over the country.

Think how much better it would be for your children to have you at home constantly AND with more money. There’s literally no downside to you quitting your job to claim benefits.