To ask what people have against Labour?

[TheSmallestOneWasMadeline]

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

Yes, this is a good point and one they really need to take on.

About half of people are regular Tory voters. A lot more than that have voted Tory from time to time.

If you go around calling them scum and saying that they only care about enriching the wealthy and are morally bankrupt, you are not going to make them vote for you.

People will hold their nose and vote for someone they don't like all that much. But they will almost never vote for someone who they believe despises them, or thinks they are scum, gammon, or whatever.

I can't get past Kier Starmer stating that 'the vast majority of women do not have a penis' plus looks like they are parachuting Eddie Izzard into Sheffield.

Labour need to concentrate on what really matters to their average voter :
Living wage, housing security, health care and education.

I remember Tony Blair getting in on the back of 'education, education, education'.

Anti-Semitism and their pro-gender (not sex) stance makes me hesitate to vote for them. I know that Starmer isn't Corbyn but I'm not sure that I can overlook these issues.

As for the issue of women.

When people say the decimation of women's rights, I think what that really means is, they continue to support an ideology that has seriously impacted women's rights and children, and looks increasingly unhinged.

The movement exists separately to both parties, it's international. And for a time, both were taken in.

But at the moment the LP is still putting their eggs in that basket and accusing those who don't of being bigots.

And if they get elected that is serious.

Also when Corbyn said he'd get rid of private schools (or something to that effect) I knew he wouldn't win.
It just seemed an attack on the rich as opposed to helping the majority of the population, who don't send their children private.

Labour need to stop focusing on those that don't work and start focusing on those that do. Yes conservatives have acted appalling lately, enough that I think they will loose the next GE, however if labour wants to be sucessful and remin as leaders they need to start focusing on the working class/middle class - not the non-working class. They have never before received my vote as i align much more with Conservatives who want people to work and create wealth, than i do with labour who think it is fine for people to just sit around on benefits

theyre clueless re womens rights at the top of Labour I thought?

Florenz that's confused me more.

So you won't vote Labour because of their old candidate who isn't even involved anymore but will vote for a current far right erg run party who've crashed our economy, ignored a mandate people voted for and have repeatedly refused to publish anything that justifies their actions to the people they actually work for?

Don't get me wrong. I couldn't vote for Corbyn Labour in a million year either. But I can't hold a party responsible for bad leaders. I judge each current candidate and their manifesto on its merits.

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Too much former influence of the extreme left will IMO previously have put a lot of people off. Centre-left, preferably with an apparently competent and preferably charismatic leader, is the way for Labour to win elections. Given the current Tory shit-show, if they don’t win the next, it will be because they’ve screwed up yet again, failed to understand what works in the U.K. Blair understood it very well.

Older people with long memories will remember ‘We’re going to squeeze the rich until the pips squeak!!’ - Labour’s top rate of tax at 98p in the pound, which resulted in a massive brain drain from the U.K.

I'm pretty neutral about Labour but they're infinitely better than the abominable Tories who the English tend do love so much.

Why don't I like Labour? Because I am sick to death of sneering, bullying, sanctimonious liberal-left idiots dictating to me. Whatever they say in public, deep down most Labour MPs hate white, middle-class NIMBYs like me. (Of course I'm a NIMBY; I worked hard to buy a little house in the country, so excuse me if I don't want a massive housing estate built next door).

A few weeks ago, I got an email from my old university informing me they planned to 'de-colonise' the university library. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. I mean, it's like something out of Orwell's 1984.

I also can't trust them to be sensible on immigration. Andrew Neather, a speechwriter for Tony Blair, said that behind closed doors Labour planned "to rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." That's a direct quote. And when Labour say 'right', they mean everyone who disagrees with them. Because that's how the left see the world. There is the left, who are correct about everything, and then there's everybody else, who are all right-wing Nazis.

Immigration can obviously be a good thing. But when it happens on a massive scale, as it has done over the last few decades, it changes a country profoundly - which is what the left want. The British left hate their own country. They especially hate England. Orwell pointed that out 80 years ago, and it's just as true today. And when you hate something, you either want to destroy it, or change it.

I’m sure many people feel disenfranchised, with no one they feel has sufficient grasp of the issues faced by ordinary people, or the integrity to do so.

Me too.
I've voted labour most of my adult life but I can't vote for a party who are trying to eliminate women.

I don't agree with the general concept it is up to the state to support people. When Gordon Brown was PM he put almost half of the population onto benefits, that people then learn to rely on and not to bother to earn their own money as easier to just claim benefits especially true if a person has several children. I do agree with supporting disabled people, and pensions should be paid because that has been paid upfront for up to 40 years, so I don't consider that a benefit. No person should claim more in benefits than a person working full time on minimum wage. It is simply not fair to expect young single people on the minimum wage working for 40 hours a week to pay high taxes for them to be spent giving those who choose to only work a few hours a week top ups and rents paid.

I will never trust a part who won’t say that they know what a woman is!

They lie and gaslight you o to trying to believe some men are women.

If I can’t trust them on something as fundamental as this, I will never trust them on anything at all.

For me, as a Labour voter, the Momentum agenda put me off. I went to a couple of meetings and was shocked about some of the things Momentum members were proposing. A lot of the local anarchists and XR people were there calling for really extreme measures that would be seriously deleterious to the ordinary working class people on whose side they claimed to be. And they were so white and so male!

Then of course there's the fact that Labour continues to insist that men can become women by simply saying so. I understand from Labour insiders that very few people within the higher echelons of the party believe it, yet they keep up the lie. It's deeply embarrassing, it's insulting to women and it indicates a lack of integrity. I won't be voting Labour until they drop self-ID and stop the TWAW nonsense.

I'm not sure that Liz Truss's aims stated today — to reduce public spending and address a benefits system that's grown too big — will automatically put off a lot of people once things have settled down. 33% of any given population around the world is attracted to firm leadership and authoritarianism. You just have to listen to conversations in the pub to realise that a huge range of people, from Tories to Labour voters, share the view that the benefits system is widely abused and needs to be pruned. I've often been surprised, when out canvassing, how right-wing some Labour voters views are on the doorstep. They don't necessarily share the sort of middle class progressive views that Labour imagines they do.

I used to be labour then switched to Tory about 12 years ago. I would like to vote labour again but I won’t whilst Angela Rayner is Starmers right hand. She is a liability and I hate her angry stance to everything. Plus, very concerned about their stance on trans women.

Boris Johnson cleverly avoided the whole trans issue.
I'm no way a fan of his but he saw it was controversial and wouldn't win votes by expressing an opinion either way.

I agree with focusing on people who are working. Also helping people get into work with emphasis on the word helping.
They did a lot of good when they were last in power but it was over shadowed by the Iraq war.

£19,094.40 that is what those on minimum wage working 40 hours a week get. To make these working people better off than those who don't work or who only work a few hours each week the benefit cap has to be lower than this.

I will be voting Labour, I live in a fairly safe Labour seat and I fully expect Labour to in the next general election. I wouldn't vote for them if Corbyn was in any kind of position of power in the party. But it's a shame that it's taken a complete implosion of the Tories for Labour to be in a winning position. If they sorted themselves out, they'd be able to beat the Tories when they are at their strongest.

I find quite a few on the left very intolerant, just look at some of the threads on here if anyone dares saying they voted conservative/for Brexit/think the NHS is anything other than perfect and we should all sell a kidney to fund it. You might as well say you spend your free evenings shagging married men in front of their wives while drowning puppies.

Kier Starmer must have splinters he spends so much time on the fence, I have no idea what he believes in. Angela Raynor sounds like the worst example of blowhard from the political society at uni. My dad actually likened the pair of them to Vivian and Neil from the young ones and he is labour through and through.

The antisemetism, the racism (the recent comment about the chancellor were disgusting), their inability to define a woman, and even considering Eddie Fucking Izzard as a candidate mean I will never vote labour.

Im probably back to drawing penises on ballot papers to be honest.

I think there’s a strong element of snobbery at play here, which is a particularly British trait anyway. Labour were, traditionally, the party of the working class: renters, union members, public transport users, manual workers. These are all things that people seem to want to move away from these days - voting Conservative seems to signal that they’ve moved up and achieved something ‘better’.
There’s also the argument that it’s a bit of a safety blanket - when you’ve lived a large portion of your life under a Conservative government, anything else is going to feel unsettling. It, therefore, takes a big event (Prolonged Tory sleaze in 95-97, economy meltdown now) to break that pattern.

It's not snobbery. When labour was actually for the working class I used to vote for them. But now it's deeply ideological and it despises the working classes. There no way they would be getting my vote now.