To ask what people have against Labour?

[TheSmallestOneWasMadeline]

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

@BogRollBOGOF An Amnesty International report found that Abbott was the subject of almost half of all abusive tweets about female MPs on Twitter during the 2017 election campaign, receiving ten times more abuse than any other MP.

as opposed to admitting that EU skepticism has always been a common Labour/working class position for solid reasons around the economic interests of w/c people.

Lets see how things pan out for working class people, economically, now we are out of the EU, and still under the Conservatives. Will trickle down economics really benefit them ? Will Britannia unchained benefit them ?

@Florenz

"The children should be taken into care if their parents are homeless. And yes, the parents should be evicted if they don't pay the rent. Just like childless people are."

Putting aside the morality and humanity of that (as you obviously are not capable of those things), putting those children into care would cost a lot more than supporting the parents by paying their rent.

Just watched Liz Truss being interviewed, one thing that struck me is the way she mentions the fuel payments as though they were her governments idea, I thought it was Rishi Sunak who came up with the plan back in May ?

Thatcher's policies destroyed the lives of millions of people.

Smith never held office.

Very much against the tories plan, billions of tax payers money current and future spent to subsidise the bills of the very wealthy, with tax take on the companies who are making 100s of billions in unexpected profit.

Plus what happens in 18 months time when the money runs out and Putins gas embargo is still in place?

He did cash payments but I did think there was an energy statement from Truss around the cap in early September

One thing I’m not sure about is whether MPs vote on mini budget

It was the LibDems that first came up with a 6 month energy cap.

Dismissed as totally unworkable by Sunak etc, then Labour suggested it.

the Tories were too tied up with their leadership election and BJ said he wouldn't announce any large policy stuff.

Labour doesn’t know what a woman is. Respect my sex if you want my X.

From Labour’s point of view, there is a real danger that they think they have already won. They may still underestimate the damage they have done to their own vote.

For a lot of people I think it's that Labour ministers just don't have the cast iron confidence that most Conservative ministers have, and people equate that with strong leadership.

But that confidence usually just comes from having a ridiculously privileged upbringing and public school education.

Someone I do rate not just due to status of background but experience is Ben Wallace

I don’t know who takes that position in the opposition but I appreciate Wallace more given war situation

I have the utmost respect for Wallace for not continuing his leadership bid because the war in Ukraine was going on and focussing on that.

He really was morals before career. Not many Tory's can claim that!

Wallace, Stewart, Hunt
Any Tory who shows even the slightest bit of decency is dealt with swiftly and harshly.
The Tories have never much liked anyone who wasn’t very rich but they don’t even pretend any more

Trickle-down doesn't work. Watch this programme where even the fat-cats seem stunned at how much money they've made and admit they're just hoarding and growing the wealth and it's not trickling down. It's a BBC series called The Decade the Rich Won:

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m0013xch/the-decade-the-rich-won

Labour doesn’t know what a woman is. Respect my sex if you want my X.

^^ this.

I’ve voted Labour in the past more than any other party, was even a member in the distant past. But I can’t vote for the erasure of women.

I thought it was because he didn't have the required number of MPs to back him? same as Patel.

He would have had no idea who would win, so therefore could not be sure he would be kept on.

The head of the workers' party is a Sir. That's enough to put me off.

Plus all the trans nonsense.

That's most of it for me.

Far be it from me to defend Labour (given the trans nonsense) but have you looked at Starmer's background and the reason he is a sir?

You are expecting people to vote based on facts, or having done any kind of basic reading, this is Britain, thats not how we do things here😛

FFS Keir starmer was given a title for his work as DPP. His background is pretty humble. I guess he accepted it because he's a pretty centrist politician - pro business, pro monarchy.

While Labour has dickheads like Alex Sobel actively telling GC women he doesn't want their vote, and while Karen Ingala Smith, the force behind the Counting Dead Women project, is denied Labour membership because of wrongthink, Labour is no place for feminists.

I have been a Labour supporter for most of my life. I can't do it in good conscience at the moment.

Labour has been completely destroyed from the inside by those who wanted Corbyn out and a more Blair type new labour government, rather than the labour of old. I guess Starmer is far closer to the Blair model of labour. The party is now full of people with completely competing interests. And it's corrupt as a result of that. It's really sad.

I dont lime their self ID policy, but I'm not one of those "ew Labour" types and usually end up voting for them (I have a strong dislike of the tories, they have proved themselves more financially irresponsible and they just want to make rich people richer and don't care about average people like me, they also underinvest in public services which is why the nhs is on its knees)