To ask what people have against Labour?

[TheSmallestOneWasMadeline]

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

I don’t like that they’ve never had a female leader. Choosing Starmer over Jess Phillips for leadership was baffling to me. I won’t vote Tory but I struggle with voting Labour, and will probably just keep voting for the Green Party.

I think you meant me.

Do I think many people in the Labour movement are motivated by class/race/sex hatred: yes. The fact that they label millions of people “scum” just because of the way they voted maybe suggests they aren’t terribly discriminating or rational in their views.

Do I call people (either behind their backs or to their faces) “Scum”, no I do not. That would be descending to their level.

I feel similarly about right wingers.

I have no idea what you’re even trying to say. I’m sure you’re making coherent points in your head.

I've not seen the types of agressive posts from so called Tory's or swing voters as I do from extremely left wing voters.

Mate shit show.....

Ah right wingers … does that mean ‘far’ right as I’ve been called that recently because …

I believe in biological sex
Despite being working class I own my own business.
Mr kids go to private school
I own my own house.

if that makes me right wing ( despite being told by Labour they don’t want my vote)

I’ll vote Tory.

Window agree.

See such extreme hatred.

It worries me that after the Corbyn love in that such extreme people would get close to power..

I think starmer has done a good/reasonable job in beating them back but they are still there.

No one in their right minds would vote Tory mate If the Bnp were fist in glove with the Tories.

“A lot of people on the left are unpleasant”
”So are some people on the right”
”Gasp! How dare you!”

If a Labour PM ordered the monarch to stay away from the COP summit there would be uproar. The Queen gave a speech to the last one so it's hardly outlandish.

Why the hell is she making an issue of this? So hypocritical considering the UK hosted the last one!

They are full on TWAW, they won’t listen to women and are trying to silence Gender Critical Labour MPs and members. If they respond at all it is to say they will sort it out later as there are much more important things to worry about, for example the economy.
BUT this is the time to sort things out. Currently the labour leaders are not in Government, they actually do have time to address the mysogyny and TRAs in the party. Once in power they won’t have time to deal with womens issues within the party as they will be dealing with the economy and government rather than being onlookers.

😂

Another poster called Labour 'uncouth'. I'd much rather that than a polite veneer with utter ruthlessness underneath.

When you ask them what women is and they reply "anyone who identifies as one". Or the leader of the party says "it is unreasonable to say only women have a cervix."
And you know that if they get in, all your hard won rights are going in the bin.

That's why Labour introduced the minimum wage, work schemes and limits on benefits when they were last in government.

Aside from the obvious surreal situations where senior Labour politicians insist people can change sex, or that Russia is misunderstood and the war in Ukraine is all the West’s fault, a more mundane example of detachment from reality is that Labour did not have - still doesn’t - a workable migration/borders policy. Shouting “Priti Patel is evil” is not actually a policy. It is fine to say we should relax asylum rules and processes and establish safe routes to entry - but you also need to have a view on how many asylum seekers and economic migrants a year you think would be too many for the UK to absorb, and what you would do to keep us below those numbers. But obvs Labour won’t do that because it would involve acknowledgement that this stuff is hard and sometimes as a Government you are going to have to make tough decisions.

Thank you for this, Windowboxgardener. I really, really, get what you mean about Labour being unable to make hard decisions. That was certainly what people on the doorstep picked up on during the Corbyn years — that Labour was just throwing money around but not addressing any of the really difficult questions. I volunteered to work with asylum seekers back in 2009, all optimistic and green. I emerged a couple of years later feeling very differently. It's complicated and difficult and when you've positioned yourself as the peoples' saviour party it can be difficult to face hard facts. And that's another reason why Truss may well surprise people at the next GE. If the country is in its knees financially people may question the 'nice' party wanting to let everyone in.

Labour think identity politics are more important than getting the Tories out and so I can no longer vote for them in good conscience.

All 3 main political parties - Libdems, Tories and Labour support self ID; and this is already affecting women in places like changing rooms, prisons, DV shelters, psychiatric units and hospitals. Its destroying women's sports.

The Geneva convention states that where prison camps are mixed sex, separate dormitories should be provided for men and women.
How can something that's a war crime legally be inflicted on us? No one who supports human rights or calls themselves a Socialist should support removing the right to safeguarding of half the population.

That was the Tory party of 1994 - have you seen how rude, dismissive sneering the current lot on prime ministers questions, or Shen asked questions by journalists?

You think it's not going to get worse under conservatives? Just watch and see - they don't care! They just avoid the subject.

They
have
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TWELVE YEARS

how has Labour decimated women’s rights??

Like the personal UNTRUE attacks Boris Johnson made on Kier Starmer about Jimmy Saville?

@Carlycat see above

They hate women.

But Eddie Izzard looks fabulous in that new dress, apparently.

@pattihews what were your experiences like, volunteering to support asylum seekers?

This absolutely

Do you look at SM? Sadiq Jhan gets an unbelievable amount of shit from Tories, as does Angela Rayner, Jess Phillips and David Lammy to name a few.

Labour is committed to global capitalism. They have no intention of making things hard for bankers. They like to feel good about doing it, which is why they are so desperate to convince themselves that working class people vote against their own interests and wanted Brexit because they were racists, as opposed to admitting that EU skepticism has always been a common Labour/working class position for solid reasons around the economic interests of w/c people.

The need to feel morally justified in that way is also very typical of that social class.