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AIBU to not have the 4th covid jab ?

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clovid · 29/09/2022 21:04

I've had all my covid vaccines up to date. I also had covid a few months ago.. I think I can get the next vaccine too if I want it. I was a bit surprised to be invited again..

Covid was just like a cold for me.

I'm 35, have MS ( not on any medication and I don't really have any symptoms apart from fatigue ). So no disability from it, no trouble walking or anything in my body- except fatigue.

I don't really want to have another vaccine. Is that unreasonable ?

OP posts:
JackTorrance · 13/12/2022 11:05

The whole way people spoke to each other during covid - about going outside or to the shop, about masks, about vaccines - was actually awful to witness. People so sure of their own right rightousness that any level of rudeness or cruelty was justified.

sunglassesonthetable · 13/12/2022 11:12

The whole way people spoke to each other during covid - about going outside or to the shop, about masks, about vaccines - was actually awful to witness. People so sure of their own right rightousness that any level of rudeness or cruelty was justified.

You'd think you'd be less sneery then.

sunglassesonthetable · 13/12/2022 11:15

Talk about irony.

MeetPi · 13/12/2022 11:18

JackTorrance · 13/12/2022 11:05

The whole way people spoke to each other during covid - about going outside or to the shop, about masks, about vaccines - was actually awful to witness. People so sure of their own right rightousness that any level of rudeness or cruelty was justified.

I've replied to your PM.

I suppose I'm not really understanding this particular post when your own posts haven't been particularly kind.

bakebeans · 14/12/2022 13:47

MeetPi · 12/12/2022 22:48

@bakebeans

im not sure you have read the post properly! As advised at the start of the pandemic some people with MS were advised not to have it or to discuss with their consultant. Not sure if you are aware but MS is different in everyone and different drugs etc are used depending on the type of MS a person has. All auto immune conditions present differently in people. Different treatment etc so again some were advised no, some people were advised to have the Pfizer. If you recall, the advice around astra zenaca changed too and that it was advised that people under 25 could only have the Pfizer.

No, I read it properly. I'm most aware that MS is different in everyone - I'm one of them. I don't believe any specialist would advise a patient not to have the vaccine when available. We aren't talking different vaccines - you were suggesting no vaccines at all.

I wouldn't say people are thick to follow, for instance, what dodgy posts on MN suggest. 'Vulnerable' is a more fitting word - and it does happen.

You are wrong! some people were advised not to have the vaccine at first release and to continue to shield instead until more evidence about the different vaccines came out!!! My cousin was one of them.

CoffeeBoy · 14/12/2022 13:52

I’m not having another. I’ve had 3 and have been very pro vaccine. I actually volunteered for the trials. Currently sat in hospital with 21yo dd with multiple bilateral pulmonary embolisms following her third vaccine. She has no other risk factors, not even on the pill. She’s convinced it’s the vaccine, I know we’ll never know but it’s a reasonable suspicion.

covid seems to be mutating to milder versions each time. I’m not worried about catching it.

orchid220 · 14/12/2022 14:00

bakebeans · 14/12/2022 13:47

You are wrong! some people were advised not to have the vaccine at first release and to continue to shield instead until more evidence about the different vaccines came out!!! My cousin was one of them.

If your cousin has MS, that isn't true. Far from it. Many with MS were first in the queue.

bakebeans · 14/12/2022 19:51

orchid220 · 14/12/2022 14:00

If your cousin has MS, that isn't true. Far from it. Many with MS were first in the queue.

Nope! Not at all! This was not right at the start. BbC news and others advised those on the vulnerable risk would be done first however it was individual cases and some people with auto immune conditions were advised to discuss with their team whether they could have it and if so which one! Then they were weighing up whether it was better to have the astra zenaca or the Pfizer!

MeetPi · 14/12/2022 23:34

@bakebeans

Nope! Not at all! This was not right at the start. BbC news and others advised those on the vulnerable risk would be done first however it was individual cases and some people with auto immune conditions were advised to discuss with their team whether they could have it and if so which one! Then they were weighing up whether it was better to have the astra zenaca or the Pfizer!

You might be misunderstanding or misremembering some things. (Or your friend with MS is.) Certainly I do recall I question over what particular vaccine was preferred, but that's it. There was no question that people with MS should get the vaccine; it was always unequivocally yes as the condition (and the drugs they take) makes them particularly vulnerable.

orchid220 · 15/12/2022 10:20

bakebeans · 14/12/2022 19:51

Nope! Not at all! This was not right at the start. BbC news and others advised those on the vulnerable risk would be done first however it was individual cases and some people with auto immune conditions were advised to discuss with their team whether they could have it and if so which one! Then they were weighing up whether it was better to have the astra zenaca or the Pfizer!

I think that you have misremembered or your relative has. The MS society and all neurologists have always advised people with MS to have the vaccination as soon as possible as they are generally more vulnerable to Covid. They are now all eligible for covid treatments too.

bakebeans · 15/12/2022 20:56

orchid220 · 15/12/2022 10:20

I think that you have misremembered or your relative has. The MS society and all neurologists have always advised people with MS to have the vaccination as soon as possible as they are generally more vulnerable to Covid. They are now all eligible for covid treatments too.

No I'm not. The MS society actually advised to discuss with the neurological team as it depended on the treatment the person was receiving. Right at the very start when they first appeared, there was uncertainty as to whether they could clause a possible relapse and also which vaccine would be more suitable. Now it is deemed patients with MS would need the Pfizer or Modena vaccine.

orchid220 · 16/12/2022 09:35

bakebeans · 15/12/2022 20:56

No I'm not. The MS society actually advised to discuss with the neurological team as it depended on the treatment the person was receiving. Right at the very start when they first appeared, there was uncertainty as to whether they could clause a possible relapse and also which vaccine would be more suitable. Now it is deemed patients with MS would need the Pfizer or Modena vaccine.

That isn't true. Once the vaccines were available (December 2020/January 2021), the MS website recommended that people were vaccinated. There was no suggestion that they could cause a relapse or that people should wait and talk to their neurological team first. I am very aware of this for personal reasons and also due to my job.

bakebeans · 16/12/2022 22:22

orchid220 · 16/12/2022 09:35

That isn't true. Once the vaccines were available (December 2020/January 2021), the MS website recommended that people were vaccinated. There was no suggestion that they could cause a relapse or that people should wait and talk to their neurological team first. I am very aware of this for personal reasons and also due to my job.

Funnily enough me too! I was looking and many time it advised to speak to the consultant but and I have had the vaccine myself so not opposed to it.

orchid220 · 17/12/2022 00:46

bakebeans · 16/12/2022 22:22

Funnily enough me too! I was looking and many time it advised to speak to the consultant but and I have had the vaccine myself so not opposed to it.

No it didn't. Anyway, do you seriously think everyone with MS would be able to get an appointment with their neurologist to discuss vaccines in January 2021? They often only see patients once a year and during covid even less.

bakebeans · 18/12/2022 14:41

orchid220 · 17/12/2022 00:46

No it didn't. Anyway, do you seriously think everyone with MS would be able to get an appointment with their neurologist to discuss vaccines in January 2021? They often only see patients once a year and during covid even less.

For context due back from OWL (outpatient waiting list in case you don't know) July 2020 and yes due to covid postponed. Consultation undertaken via telephone end of feb 21 and due to reasons which I won't go into, decision agreed with consultant neurologist not to have the vaccine and continue to shield. As I said much much earlier which you probably didn't bother to read, when decision came that could have the vaccine, he didn't. His decision. Current update, may or may not have it. Again. His decision

MumYourBabyGrewUpToBeACowboy · 18/12/2022 17:02

Untreated MS is very dangerous. Have you been offered treatment? Trust me, you could wake up one day to a very different life.

stayathomegardener · 18/12/2022 17:54

CoffeeBoy · 14/12/2022 13:52

I’m not having another. I’ve had 3 and have been very pro vaccine. I actually volunteered for the trials. Currently sat in hospital with 21yo dd with multiple bilateral pulmonary embolisms following her third vaccine. She has no other risk factors, not even on the pill. She’s convinced it’s the vaccine, I know we’ll never know but it’s a reasonable suspicion.

covid seems to be mutating to milder versions each time. I’m not worried about catching it.

I'm so sorry, vaccine or not that's dreadful.

Killingmytime · 18/12/2022 18:33

clovid · 29/09/2022 21:24

Don't they say generally it's supposed to be milder if / when you get it again ?

Not true. I’ve had covid more than once.
the first time I had it was the mildest! I was so I’ll the next times.

AmazonPrim · 18/12/2022 18:37

CoffeeBoy · 14/12/2022 13:52

I’m not having another. I’ve had 3 and have been very pro vaccine. I actually volunteered for the trials. Currently sat in hospital with 21yo dd with multiple bilateral pulmonary embolisms following her third vaccine. She has no other risk factors, not even on the pill. She’s convinced it’s the vaccine, I know we’ll never know but it’s a reasonable suspicion.

covid seems to be mutating to milder versions each time. I’m not worried about catching it.

Sorry to hear this @CoffeeBoy

There has been some new research linking the jabs to pulmonary embolism.

Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Linked to Blood Clotting: FDA

www.theepochtimes.com/mktapp/health/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-linked-to-blood-clotting-fda4930377.html

sunglassesonthetable · 18/12/2022 18:54

Cheers for the link to that far right trump loving rag. Skip on that thanks.

FeedHedgehogsCatBiscuits · 18/12/2022 19:19

Wow. I'm amazed at how many posters are saying they won't have another jab and discussing their side effects to previous jabs.
If you'd done that a year ago, Mumsnet would have banned you for misinformation! Back than they were pushing the vax onto pregnant women. I wonder how that is going to pan out.
I'm so relieved people are starting to see sense.

pointythings · 18/12/2022 21:10

@FeedHedgehogsCatBiscuits well, I had my fourth late October and given how difficult it was to get a slot and given the length of the queues at the walk in centre I ended up going to, it looks as if the uptake is still pretty damn good.

IncessantNameChanger · 18/12/2022 21:17

I think the amount of us who had serious side effects must be vanishingly small. I'm not anti it, but as I was telling someone if your the one in a million who ended up in hospital then all I need to know is that personally, it wasn't a good outcome for me. Boosters have been fine. But now its less deadly and we have all had it, why risk another hospital stay? It's not dangerous. Just dangerous that one time for me.

VanillaImpulse · 23/12/2022 21:50

FeedHedgehogsCatBiscuits · 18/12/2022 19:19

Wow. I'm amazed at how many posters are saying they won't have another jab and discussing their side effects to previous jabs.
If you'd done that a year ago, Mumsnet would have banned you for misinformation! Back than they were pushing the vax onto pregnant women. I wonder how that is going to pan out.
I'm so relieved people are starting to see sense.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

FromEden · 24/12/2022 04:09

Cheers for the link to that far right trump loving rag. Skip on that thanks.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22014931

That's the study.

"Four outcomes met the threshold for a statistical signal following BNT162b2 vaccination including pulmonary embolism (PE; RR = 1.54), acute myocardial infarction (AMI; RR = 1.42), disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC; RR = 1.91), and immune thrombocytopenia (ITP; RR = 1.44). After further evaluation, only the RR for PE still met the statistical threshold for a signal;"

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