To be pissed off that Davina McCall and Sainsbury's think that 50% of "people" go through the Menopause

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Standing in bloody long queue at Sainsburys this afternoon (as they only open 1 bloody till even when 6 people have trolleys full - I know that's another thread ...) so not in a great mood. Then over the speaker comes Davina with "Hi, I'm Davina and I want to talk about the Menopause." Ok, I think, being at that age, then "Did you know that 50% of PEOPLE go through the menopause?" WTF!!

How to make a menopausal WOMAN really angry.

AIBU to say that Sainsburys have lost my custom?

Use Scan and go, game changer…off topic. I did my shopping today and was checked out in minutes with no queuing.

50% of people.

100% of female people that do not die before they get there.

Is it not a much more powerful message to say ALL women will go through this, support them, rather than the correct but more ambiguous 50% of people.

YANBU OP. Just another way to erase women. Bit like how lesbian now apparently means non-men loving non-men.

Women aren’t people now? Just what am I then?

I actually had this in school today - all line managers have to do menopause training so it was brought up in a staff briefing. I liked the way it was put, because “women’s issues” are often easily dismissed and I think it is important to remember that these things affect half of the world’s population. But then I work somewhere the words “women” and “girls” are used very regularly so I don’t feel those words are being erased more generally in my workplace.

If they are the same, why don’t they use the first? It’s subtly different - the second erases women. Obfuscation.

I'll join you!

Ugh. My comment cut off!

I said "I'll join you"

They especially go through the menopause!!

51% actually

Misgendering? Maybe, but gender isn't the point. Sex is, and its accurate sexting.

Transmen are biologically female. It is a bald fact, and if you have issues with people stating biological fact you need to address that within yourself, and stop trying to tell the rest of us to not speak the truth.

You can't identify out of biology.

There is no law. Nobody can legally define what a transman or transwoman is. Its just lobbying. Its the same as believing in a god. Not everyone believes and not everyone HAS to believe. HTH

Yes there is nothing wrong with what she said, and it would have been expressed the same 10 years ago.

The point is 50% of the population have periods / the menopause and yet we don’t give these things the attention they deserve

There are laws which protect 'characteristics' and gender is one of them. That isn't lobbying; it's law.

The issue I have is with people seeming to think that if they howl, 'Biological fact' sufficiently loud enough, then the rest of it somehow stops existing.

@ChiefWiggumsBoy

It wouldn’t though, because the point of expressing it as 50% of people is to emphasise the fact that if it was the male 50% we’d be taking it more seriously.

No. They are the same - unless you choose to be offended.

I think it's fine. The point she is trying to make is that half the population goes through menopause and it can have devastating effects that are only recently being talked about.

You can’t seriously think that sainsburys are trying to make that point and not just trying to ensure they’re being ‘inclusive’

All I see is the question, 'did you know that 50% of the population go through the menopause?' What an inane and insulting remark. Of course I know that and so does every adult who received an education. I am most annoyed with the banality of the question. She might as well have said, 'have you ever realised females make up half the population?' Which is quite insulting too, but at least states what she means.

Females don't make up 50% of the population.

They make up 51%.

Cool, another trans thread. I was worrie we'd go a full 20 minutes without one.

Well there you go. Females (currently) make up 51% of the population. I reserve the right to be irritated that another woman thinks I have never considered the maths.

50% of people but 100% of women. But yes, she could say 100% of women - I think that has more impact phrased this way.

They don't say women will go through it because automatically men turn off. By saying 50% of people it brings home the fact that half of the population have to deal with it rather than putting it in a sub group category and thus has more impact

And when I say turn men off I meant from engaging with the issue before that gets people wound up

She's correct. Are you not a person?