To ask you to think twice about eating chicken regularly

[Tigofigo]

...it's just not sustainable for us to consume as much as we do.

Intensive chicken farming is polluting and destroying our rivers and also potentially causing breathing difficulties and lung issues in those who live near farms spraying chicken / other animal manure as fertilizer.

Really worrying too, at a time when govt are ripping up EU regs on environmental laws that will further destroy our rivers and the animals, plants and people that rely on them (along with the shit already pumped into them...).

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/25/chicken-farm-giant-linked-to-river-wye-decline-was-sued-over-water-blight-in-us

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/14/muck-spreading-could-be-banned-to-reduce-air-pollution

inews.co.uk/news/brexit-bonfire-environment-regulations-otters-dolphins-birds-conservationists-1875799

Right, but can you see how someone (I don’t think it was actually me) suggesting ideas for food that isn’t meat, then being met with “ew, cold beans and lentils!” is frustrating? I can accept that I find this particularly annoying because it happens so often - people dismissing vegan food as just being lettuce/beans/etc etc and not giving it a chance. Perhaps that wasn’t what that poster was saying.

I can honestly say I’ve never tried to change someone’s mind on being vegan. Maybe that’s wrong and I should be, but I don’t see the point when people won’t listen to suggestions without immediately shutting it down. Plus, what people eat is very personal to them.

I’m not being defensive. Maybe take that up with the people who have banged on about how they will absolutely 10000% never consider changing their diet because they “like chicken” and “won’t be told what to do”.

www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/01/almonds-nuts-crazy-stats-charts/

We can't be smug about almond milk either

@user6363 the whole thread has been people like you dismissing meat but you don't like it when people dismiss your beans and lentils

Weren’t you the one who said vegans shouldn’t eat meat replacements?

I was 'gifted' the chickens I had at home, I would not have gone out and bought them.
I looked after them well, fed them, made sure their houses were clean, allowed them to destroy my garden etc.

I would not say de sensitised but truthfully I look at chickens the same as I look at tomato plants, food!

Well with avian flu, our seabirds are falling out of the sky around here DEFRA is now advising us to put the bodies in a bin bag and bung in the black bin.

So we're in for a bumpy ride bird wise generally.

No, I said why do you have to have stuff that looks like sausages and burgers, I just think it's odd to have something to remind you of something you hate.

I mean, I actually love meat. It’s really, really nice. I just choose not to eat it, but if I can get something that tastes reasonably like it then I’ll take it!

Though I must say the only thing this thread has encouraged me to do is to bung half a lamb in my freezer

I don't and they don't 👍

Whats going on in the Wye valley?

That's very sensible. We have three freezers, one small one in the house for vegetables. A fridge freezer for our fishing catches and one for meat game, pasta sauces made from our tomatoes and basil.

We've just made a batch of crab apple jelly from our sons tree. That's fed three families. We're using logs from a site cleared a year ago we've cut and stored .

We buy our vegetables from a farmer's market and eggs locally.

I have to admit it's easier in Wales than say urban areas. But we don't have their public transport infrastructure so drive more.

As TESCO would say "EVERY LITTLE HELPS"

It’s not about being smug. There isn’t really a moral high ground in not eating meat. I don’t because I feel it’s the right thing to do and because I live in a very liberal city and also enjoy vegan food, so it’s fairly easy despite being coeliac. I realise for others my situation is probably super restrictive. Not sure I’d be doing it in other scenarios.

I haven’t eaten chicken in over 20 years. Filthy, mass produced, tasteless meat.

Charming

If course you're desensitised if you see chickens- living, breathing, conscious sentient animals the same as a tomato plant. They shouldn't exist just for you to eat, that's really weird. Ew.

If everyone went vegan there would just be huge areas of monoculture to grow the amounts needed to feed the whole world. It would be no better for the planet as it would be just as intensive. What we actually need to do is to reduce the number of consumers eating anything ie reduce the world's population which is out of control and the real answer to every environmental issue there is.

@ZeroFuchsGiven

those living creatures, animals weren’t put on the planet just for you to eat. It’s like you see them as a walking loaf of bread or something. Strange way of seeing an animal.

Sigh…

If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares
If everyone shifted to a plant-based diet we would reduce global land use for agriculture by 75%. This large reduction of agricultural land use would be possible thanks to a reduction in land used for grazing and a smaller need for land to grow crops.

Here’s the link ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

I’ve not bought chicken to cook at home since about 2015. I can’t eat it or buy it because all I think of is their miserable lives in those horrible sheds. It’s literally the last thing on earth I’d like to eat. It’s really quite disgusting and very very cruel. I hope we all eat much much less meat in the coming years. Xxx

Darling, you eat what you want and I will eat what I want the vast majority in the UK are not vegan, in any case much of the processed vegan food is not environmentally friendly at all.

Are you and your neighbours eating those chickens? 50 a year each family? Or do you buy the ones ‘grown’ in metal barns?

Do you not eat nuts? Peanuts? Cashews? Almonds? Oranges? Tea? Coffee? Chocolate? So much of the UK food is imported and intensively farmed. At least with almonds no animal dies.

i can’t stand this type of post, you can ask but ultimately it’s up to the person. You’ve made that choice and it’s fine but don’t push your agenda on me.