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Previous anger towards SIL and BIL is back!

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typingcake · 23/09/2022 10:30

This is a bit of a novel but the back story is kind of needed.

Basically I feel very angry towards SIL and BIL and I'll be spending a weekend with them later in the year …

My husband and I have been together for over 17 years and married for 12 of those.

I always got on ok with my SIL, we don’t have anything in common but there has always been polite chit-chat during visits. Tho we don’t hang out together.

She has 2 older girls, high school and primary age. I’ve got a boy who is now 4. I’ve always felt that she and BIL have a kind of know-it-all / matter-of-fact way of telling you how it is… like if I say he’s teething badly, he’s been misbehaving at nursery , he’s waking at 5am every day then they’ll immediately cut you off and say ‘that’s what it’s like’, ‘it’s a phase’, ‘we went through that and this is what to do’ … that’s all fine and everything but there seems to be a lack of listening and empathy and more telling you how it was for them and how it should be for you. (not sure I’m explaining that properly).

Anyway, cut to the first lockdown in March 2020. My bow was 1 year and 10 months old. We immediately had aggressive behaviour from our boy, for about a week then he settled into the routine of being home. Nursery was closed for 17 weeks and when he started back (at just turned 2) the aggression came back. We then had 9 weeks of this behaviour. He would be ok then a ‘tantrum’ would start – mostly with no trigger we could identify. Except these didn’t feel like his usual tantrums. He would physically attack us – biting, hitting, scratching… if we put him down he would harm himself – banging his head, punching himself in the face, scratching himself… or he would throw anything and everything at us, and if we cleared everything away he would try to flip the table or go for the lamp. The meltdowns could go on for up to 4.5 hours and we really tried everything to diffuse them.

We were obviously upset and when this first started, within days we mentioned it to BIL and SIL and we were immediately met with ‘what did you expect?’, ‘they’re called tantrums’, ‘that’s what having a child is like’, ‘they don’t call it the terrible two’s for nothing!’, ‘you’re not the only people with children’… and when we tried to explain that his behaviour has changed overnight and could be linked to the change of routine that was dismissed – we were labelled as dramatic first time parents. When I brough up him harming himself I was told by SIL that ‘no, he isn’t’, when I described exactly what he was doing (as mentioned above) she said he didn’t know what he was doing and didn’t mean it… she then changed the subject abruptly and after that they stopped asking how he was and it was never mentioned till we next saw them in the garden for a socially distanced birthday meal. Where my boy was brilliantly behaved – which she pointed out – ‘he seems ok now, see, it’s just a phase’. This was after he was given a slice of chocolate cake the size of his head and a party bag! And the behaviour was still going on but again dismissed when I pointed this out.

I was very angry and upset by how they responded to it all.

Since then we don’t see much of SIL and BIL. Husband and I felt disappointed by their judgement and lack of support. I put myself into counselling a year ago to try and process it all and get my anger, mostly with SIL, out of my system as well as deal with the stress I’d been through and some other personal issues.

Going back to the terrible behaviour July 2020 – A few weeks into it, when there was no let up I called the health visitor who was brilliant. She got us Zoom behavioural workshops and did a home visit later in the year. And the nursery manager, who had the same behaviour from him, was brilliant and called us regularly to work with us to try and support him as best they could. We didn’t get to the bottom of his behaviour and the HV said it was too early to say but that it was likely the disruption to his routine and said he was displaying behaviour similar to children who had been through some sort of trauma. I did ask if she thought he might havd ADHD or something else and she said he was too young for that kind of assessment unless he had severe symptoms, which he didn’t. Nursery allowed us a place at their hub for the second lockdown and when he was back in his routine his behaviour was great and he thrived. He was a different boy – it was like night and day.

As his mum I do notice things: has only started jumping, doesn’t like to wear new jackets or shoes, has a fear of new things, diet has narrowed down, hums a lot, shouts one word repeatedly, still hits his hear or eye when he’s excited, has some pronunciation trouble and a bunch of other stuff. Then recently nursery had weeks of bad behaviour (which we think was due to about 15 3 year olds moving up to his room and some of his friends going to school), he was hitting and throwing and having meltdowns for up to 1.5 hours where they had to remove him from the room and take him into the office. The manager had me in for a meeting and while it was upsetting she was brilliant, she said she wanted to observe him for 4 weeks as she thought he could have an ASN or difficulty processing his emotions. During the observation they put different methods into place to support him and he responded really well and he’s not been removed from the room since the observation period which was July. The manager said she’s pleased with his progress and doesn’t feel the need to take it further.

But I decided to call the health visitor myself just for piece of mind and if there is something going on my husband and I just want to be able to support him as best we can, ahead of him going to school next year. When I got the call back we had a recap on the previous behaviourla stuff and how he’s been brilliant since then but how he had been having difficulty recently. Then I read her some of the things from the list above and more and she said there were some things that stood out and could indicate autism. She asked what our expectations were and I said we just wanted him to thrive and if we could get to the bottom of it all and could put a name to it then we could support him, as I said above. And she agreed.. So she’s coming out in October for a home visit and will also speak to nursery. She thinks he will likely go on the very long waiting list for an autism assessment (sorry I don’t know the correct terms or name for it).

So… that what’s been going on and this is where we are at. Husband and I decided not to tell any of our family (both sides) what’s going on till we know a bit more as we just don’t want the judgement. We’d rather be in a position to say ‘our boy has this, this is how we support him, this is how you can support him when he’s at your place’.

Now the reason for my post: since nursery said he may be ASN and HV now saying it could be autism… I feel incredibly angry towards BIL and SIL. I know that all happened 2 years ago and I thought I’d gotten over it… but it makes me extremely cross when I think about what they said and how shit husband and I were made to feel… how they just brushed it all off when all along my boy may be autistic and that’s why he reacted how he did. How we were not listened to and supported in any way.

Coming up we have a family weekend away to celebrate a big family anniversary and we’ll be staying in a big barn with them there… as we don’t see them often they will likely see some of his behaviour over the 2 night stay. They may point it out. They will likely think we’re too lenient with him and not strict enough… they may just think he’s spoilt or a bad child? This is just me getting ahead of myself I know… but I can’t help thinking about it ansd expecting the worst. They always just tell us 'how it is' and pass judgement and I'm not really feeling prepared for that so I'm apprehensive about the whole thing.

So here is my AIBU bit…

AIBU to have all this anger towards them?

And any advice on how to let it go / deal with it better / how to be in their presence?

OP posts:
Hearthnhome · 23/09/2022 12:20

typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:20

@Hearthnhome sorry but "I, also, don’t understand why you kept going to them if you didn’t get the response you wanted."

Where did I say I kept going to them?

Because you mentioned several times where you discussed it with them.

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:20

To be honest I’d have reacted the same, a 20 month old infant having a sudden change in routine, I’d have tried to reassure and said oh it will settle down its just tantrums etc and certainly wouldn’t habe said your kid needs assessed; not at 20 months.I honestly don’t know anyone who would.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:22

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:13

Op,do you work or have much going on in your life? You seem to hold,onto grudges for a very long time and the play park thing is just petty

I'm self-employed, what I do is niche and I often turn work away. I exercise. I see friends and go to theatre, cinema, meals out with husband etc… the play park thing? that was an example… how was it petty? I don't fall out with any of my friends or clients, I can't think of any other grudge I have?

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Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:22

It’s petty to mention one time they don’t want to go to the same park as you, can you not see how it is?

Anna783426 · 23/09/2022 12:24

I'd be pretty angry too actually, and would definitely find the thought of spending a whole weekend with them pretty challenging. My BIL and SIL are younger than us but with no children and have made similar unhelpful comments on various topics, although I can recognise I am sensitive it does make me angry. I hope it goes well and you can find a way to enjoy the weekend.

sleepygal · 23/09/2022 12:25

to avoid BIL and SIL making comments that upset you, don't discuss your son with them at all. If they ask how he is, respond - 'fine thanks' - or whatever neutral comments you want to include and don't share any further details about him with them at all.

10HailMarys · 23/09/2022 12:27

I completely understand why you find your BIL/SIL's attitude patronising and dismissive, but I do think your reaction is disproportionate. Nothing you've said about them sounds like anything more than standard, irritating 'been there, done that' kind of thing that parents hear all the time. They hadn't witnessed your son's behaviour, so yes, to them it probably didn't sound like anything very different from the usual Terrible Twos, and ultimately they were trying to reassure you so you didn't worry too much. Your SIL sounds deeply irritating and you are obviously very different people with very different personalities who probably rub each other up the wrong way a little bit, but I genuinely do not think there was any negative intent on her part. She's just one of those people who think she knows it all, basically, and is probably not very emotionally aware.

You obviously do have some issues around feeling judged or misunderstood by other people, and I sympathise because that is a difficult thing to cope with - it's exhausting to feel like that all the time, and I definitely think therapy could help you manage that so you can withstand this kind of thing a bit more robustly and free up your headspace for nicer and more important things that actually deserve your time and attention, instead of dwelling on perceived criticisms and ending up feeling worse.

You're obviously doing a great job with your little boy and it sounds like you've made excellent progress with him - bloody well done! It can't have been easy, especially with lockdown to contend with as well. You and your DH sound like lovely parents and your son is very lucky to have you.

Queuesarasarah · 23/09/2022 12:27

It’s really hard trying to get help for your child in this time between something being ‘not right’ and any kind of formal diagnosis. Family members often don’t understand and I’ve had similar, although we now have a diagnosis.
Which is the background to me, saying this with all kind intentions, is it possible actually this was really traumatic for you and your anger aimed at your SIL is actually anger at how hard it has been? We can all be guilty of finding ‘the person to blame’. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t really unhelpful and insensitive but the emotions seem more than that. I know for many parents of children experiencing difficulties or with additional needs ‘anger’ can be a hard one to process. We don’t want to be angry with our kids because we know it isn’t their fault so it often comes out to others. Hope you get all the support, keep pushing and keep being an advocate. When you do get the diagnosis you will likely feel all kinds of emotions too. That’s okay.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:27

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:20

To be honest I’d have reacted the same, a 20 month old infant having a sudden change in routine, I’d have tried to reassure and said oh it will settle down its just tantrums etc and certainly wouldn’t habe said your kid needs assessed; not at 20 months.I honestly don’t know anyone who would.

I wasn't looking for them to tell me he needed assessed. I just felt dismissed by the way they responded.

What they did that first night, when we mentioned to them what was going on, they called FIL and MIL and they also told my other SIL and BIL. Without our knowledge.

So the next day FIL and MIL turned up unannounced and said 'What's wrong with him?' we felt on the spot so we said we were having behavioural issues. He was fine when they were there, which they pointed out! Then they left. We didn't see much of FIL or MIL that summer too.

Next time I saw the other SIL that's when I realised they told her too because she kept asking about his behaviour.

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typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:29

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:22

It’s petty to mention one time they don’t want to go to the same park as you, can you not see how it is?

No, I can't see that. That was me then thinking, after that 1 example, that I was glad we didn't bubble with them. Yes it was me who suggested it, I know. I was trying to do what's best for my boy.

I'm starting to see now that you all must think I am insufferable, attention seeking and passing blame.

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ZeroFuchsGiven · 23/09/2022 12:29

to be honest I read your whole post and thought " what on earth has this got to do with them?

I couldnt agree more with this.

Wombat100 · 23/09/2022 12:31

It does sound like you’re being unreasonable I’m afraid. The fact is that no one will be interested in your own children as you are.

The fact that you felt the need to seek counselling over the fact that your brother in law and sister in law were a bit dismissive also suggests you may be a bit over sensitive. They’re not than supportive - so what?

BatteryPoweredMammy · 23/09/2022 12:32

Has it ever occurred to you that your SIL could also be ND?

I am and I often appear to say the wrong thing to people when they’re telling me about something they’re struggling with. Usually my immediate response is to find something in my own experience that is similar and mention that as my way of empathising with the friend.

I’ve only recently discovered I have this trait that unfortunately others seem to find annoying and I’m in my 50’s.

It’s interesting how many adults are happy to accept autism in children and make allowances for their behaviours but never seem to allow for it in adults?

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 12:32

I'm starting to see now that you all must think I am insufferable, attention seeking and passing blame.

no one said that op. You’ve taken the responses thr wrong way too. Folks are saying they can’t see what they have done wrong and your anger is misplaced. Coming up with a laundry list of minor perceived slights they have committed against you won’t change that, it Just cements it.

good luck at the event and with your son, your in-laws aren’t your issue.

Gazelda · 23/09/2022 12:34

In what circumstances did these conversations take place? Over a quiet cup of tea while there were no distractions?

Or in a busy coffee shop? Or while the children were in the room or while dinner was being dished up or ...

Maybe they were trying to be supportive by not being alarmed or upset or worried. Maybe they were trying to reassure you that the behaviours you described were common amongst toddlers.

Anyway, I'd suggest you simply respond with "DS is under investigation at the moment so we'll hopefully have a better understanding soon" and move the conversation on.

You are the best parent for your DS. They are the best parents for their DC. That doesn't mean either of you are uncaring, dismissive or wrong about each other's parenting styles or childrens characteristics.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 23/09/2022 12:34

NoSquirrels · 23/09/2022 11:24

I'm more thinking ahead to their reaction and judgement if we were to reveal what we've been going through. I just want to have tougher skin and be in control of that conversation when the time comes – is that so bad?

It’s not bad. I think you could practice some ways of shutting down any conversation around his behaviour or your parenting which will make you feel more in control.

Your in-laws sound rude and annoying. They won’t change. So changing your reactions to them - having a coping mechanism- is the best and only strategy.

You sound lovely, btw. I bet you’re brilliant parents to your boy.

This.

My therapist says emotions aren't wrong, or right, you feel what you feel and that's ok, the important thing is what you do with those feelings. At the moment what those feelings are doing is hurting you.

Plan ahead how to shut down conversation, give bland responses with no details and spend as much of the time as you can away from them, even just in another room or out in the yard or off to a park. Focus on your DS, it's likely he'll find this hard so two birds and one stone. Help him regulate, maybe some quiet walks, or trip to a park, do activities they don't like.

PeekAtYou · 23/09/2022 12:34

I am autistic too so I have lots of sympathy with the ruminating about things L.

You know what your BIL and SIL are like so it was silly to expect them to change their behaviour and become empathetic. They are rude people (talking over you ) but I think that placating you with stuff like "it's just a phase" is normal chit chat. How would they know if it's first time parent naïveté or an actual special need? Telling you that it sounds like he has SN would be an even worse thing to do.

Sometimes "It's just a phase" is a way to politely end a conversation that people find boring. So someone says the phrase then the worried parent says something like "I hope it doesn't last long" and the conversation moves on. Your ILs are clearly not very interested in you and your family so it's fine not to share details.

If you SIL /BIL we're medical or childcare professionals who had minimised your son's behaviour then it would be fair to be annoyed but they don't know your son well at all so their opinion is as useful as the random dog walker who walks past you on the nursery run.

As for this event, prepare yourself with some phrases and grit your teeth. If your son has SN then you'll be getting judged for the rest of your life from people who are neither professionals or who know your son.

latetothefisting · 23/09/2022 12:35

Teenyliving · 23/09/2022 10:42

You are massively displacing your understandable stress and worry on your sil and bil. MASSIVELY so.

i imagine it’s in some way helpful to you to make them the focus of your anger and fears which are about the potential autism diagnosis and your sons behavior.

i think you need to continue to work through this with your counseling.

what on earth did you expect them to say or do? I imagine that you were very stressed and hard to interact with and they responded accordingly. Even if they were a bit meh - nothing they said was actually offensive.

agree with every word of this. Realistically, if at age 2 you'd referenced your kid behaving badly, 99% of people would have just nodded in sympathy and said they'd had that too (which is what they basically did, albeit maybe not as sympathetically as you'd have liked), not gone straight to suggesting your kid might have PTSD/ASD/HV/whatever.

Plus, be honest, if they HAD said 'yeah they way he behaves is completely different to our kids, do you think he could be autistic?' how would you have reacted to that? Would you have thanked them for their insight or would you have been equally fuming that they had "diagnosed" your baby without any medical knowledge based on a few second hand examples of naughty behaviour?

I really can't see what more they could have done. Do you have other family/friends who you discussed DS with, and what did they say? Why are you focusing so much on BIL/SIL? From what you've said I can't see what they did was so bad to warrant anything more than possibly an eye roll, not this intense hatred for 2 years!

Aubriella · 23/09/2022 12:39

It sounds to me the root cause is that you struggle to assert yourself with in laws and that's manifesting in anger towards them.

Next time SIL or FIL interrupt you, just say 'Excuse me, can I finish what I was saying please?'. If they don't pause or if they continue to talk, you just get up and walk away. Not another word. Just get up and walk. Go talk to someone else or get a drink.

And stop telling them anything. If they argue with you, change the subject or walk away. Don't give them the satisfaction of justifying yourself.

You can't change them, but you can change your response to them. You will take back the control and the anger will dissipate.

Vapeyvapevape · 23/09/2022 12:46

I'm starting to see now that you all must think I am insufferable, attention seeking and passing blame

I think you read too much into what people say , you overthink, the same as with your sil and bil.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 12:48

This has been a bitter pill to swallow.
I'll re-read through later and try to pick put some useful bits to mull over and get myself into a better headspace for when the time comes.
Right now I need to pull myself together and get some work done, ha!
Thank you everyone.

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MacarenaMacarena · 23/09/2022 12:51

Brefugee · 23/09/2022 10:47

You are stressed about this so I'm going to be gentle: nobody on earth is as interested or invested in your children as you are. Even relatives. They have older children, are they wittering on to you about teenager issues?
What did you want from them? seems to me the answers you got from them are standard, and that nursery and other professionals have given you the help you need.

I think the answers that she got were standard from someone who doesn't care... They were dismissive. Nice people would not come out with such crass answers. I think OP will have a challenging time at this family event - it might be worth confiding in one or two kinder relatives (if possible) to enlist their support with DS.
It is rather a shame that OP has had this sad lack of recognition from SIL for the clear stress she is going through and the reasonable concerns she has in these circumstances.

MiniCooperLover · 23/09/2022 13:13

It sounds like your in-laws are the type not to delve too deeply into other peoples lives, whereas you want them to be very involved in yours/your sons and that's clearly just not going to happen. I don't think it's that they don't care as such, but they probably realise that no good generally comes of criticising another person's child and that's what would end up happening if they started to agree with you about his behaviour. You tell them he's been biting, they respond and then if they ever ask about the biting in future you may possibly get defensive because it's not a positive behaviour and so they can't win. Better just to stay out of it.

Understandably, as he's your son, you've put a lot of thought and worry into how he's behaving, but rarely do other people do the same. You do seem to be very overly cross with them and I can't really see why.

DarkDarkNight · 23/09/2022 13:18

You seem very fixated on your SIL and BIL’s advice about parenting and reactions/attitude about your child. I think you should let it go and disengage from them. Stop asking for advice, if they give advice unsolicited just say you are beginning assessments on the advice of your HV.

Lots of people with easy children will never really understand a child who for whatever reason is high needs. My child had very extreme tantrums that were in no way the normal ‘terrible 2s’, I didn’t take advice from people who hadn’t experienced similar because it wasn’t relevant.

ittakes2 · 23/09/2022 13:24

I have ADHD and reading your post I am sorry but you reminded me of me. I am sorry but I think you are overthinking things and having trouble processing your emotions.
People will always have their opinions but you are letting these people get under your skin.