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Previous anger towards SIL and BIL is back!

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typingcake · 23/09/2022 10:30

This is a bit of a novel but the back story is kind of needed.

Basically I feel very angry towards SIL and BIL and I'll be spending a weekend with them later in the year …

My husband and I have been together for over 17 years and married for 12 of those.

I always got on ok with my SIL, we don’t have anything in common but there has always been polite chit-chat during visits. Tho we don’t hang out together.

She has 2 older girls, high school and primary age. I’ve got a boy who is now 4. I’ve always felt that she and BIL have a kind of know-it-all / matter-of-fact way of telling you how it is… like if I say he’s teething badly, he’s been misbehaving at nursery , he’s waking at 5am every day then they’ll immediately cut you off and say ‘that’s what it’s like’, ‘it’s a phase’, ‘we went through that and this is what to do’ … that’s all fine and everything but there seems to be a lack of listening and empathy and more telling you how it was for them and how it should be for you. (not sure I’m explaining that properly).

Anyway, cut to the first lockdown in March 2020. My bow was 1 year and 10 months old. We immediately had aggressive behaviour from our boy, for about a week then he settled into the routine of being home. Nursery was closed for 17 weeks and when he started back (at just turned 2) the aggression came back. We then had 9 weeks of this behaviour. He would be ok then a ‘tantrum’ would start – mostly with no trigger we could identify. Except these didn’t feel like his usual tantrums. He would physically attack us – biting, hitting, scratching… if we put him down he would harm himself – banging his head, punching himself in the face, scratching himself… or he would throw anything and everything at us, and if we cleared everything away he would try to flip the table or go for the lamp. The meltdowns could go on for up to 4.5 hours and we really tried everything to diffuse them.

We were obviously upset and when this first started, within days we mentioned it to BIL and SIL and we were immediately met with ‘what did you expect?’, ‘they’re called tantrums’, ‘that’s what having a child is like’, ‘they don’t call it the terrible two’s for nothing!’, ‘you’re not the only people with children’… and when we tried to explain that his behaviour has changed overnight and could be linked to the change of routine that was dismissed – we were labelled as dramatic first time parents. When I brough up him harming himself I was told by SIL that ‘no, he isn’t’, when I described exactly what he was doing (as mentioned above) she said he didn’t know what he was doing and didn’t mean it… she then changed the subject abruptly and after that they stopped asking how he was and it was never mentioned till we next saw them in the garden for a socially distanced birthday meal. Where my boy was brilliantly behaved – which she pointed out – ‘he seems ok now, see, it’s just a phase’. This was after he was given a slice of chocolate cake the size of his head and a party bag! And the behaviour was still going on but again dismissed when I pointed this out.

I was very angry and upset by how they responded to it all.

Since then we don’t see much of SIL and BIL. Husband and I felt disappointed by their judgement and lack of support. I put myself into counselling a year ago to try and process it all and get my anger, mostly with SIL, out of my system as well as deal with the stress I’d been through and some other personal issues.

Going back to the terrible behaviour July 2020 – A few weeks into it, when there was no let up I called the health visitor who was brilliant. She got us Zoom behavioural workshops and did a home visit later in the year. And the nursery manager, who had the same behaviour from him, was brilliant and called us regularly to work with us to try and support him as best they could. We didn’t get to the bottom of his behaviour and the HV said it was too early to say but that it was likely the disruption to his routine and said he was displaying behaviour similar to children who had been through some sort of trauma. I did ask if she thought he might havd ADHD or something else and she said he was too young for that kind of assessment unless he had severe symptoms, which he didn’t. Nursery allowed us a place at their hub for the second lockdown and when he was back in his routine his behaviour was great and he thrived. He was a different boy – it was like night and day.

As his mum I do notice things: has only started jumping, doesn’t like to wear new jackets or shoes, has a fear of new things, diet has narrowed down, hums a lot, shouts one word repeatedly, still hits his hear or eye when he’s excited, has some pronunciation trouble and a bunch of other stuff. Then recently nursery had weeks of bad behaviour (which we think was due to about 15 3 year olds moving up to his room and some of his friends going to school), he was hitting and throwing and having meltdowns for up to 1.5 hours where they had to remove him from the room and take him into the office. The manager had me in for a meeting and while it was upsetting she was brilliant, she said she wanted to observe him for 4 weeks as she thought he could have an ASN or difficulty processing his emotions. During the observation they put different methods into place to support him and he responded really well and he’s not been removed from the room since the observation period which was July. The manager said she’s pleased with his progress and doesn’t feel the need to take it further.

But I decided to call the health visitor myself just for piece of mind and if there is something going on my husband and I just want to be able to support him as best we can, ahead of him going to school next year. When I got the call back we had a recap on the previous behaviourla stuff and how he’s been brilliant since then but how he had been having difficulty recently. Then I read her some of the things from the list above and more and she said there were some things that stood out and could indicate autism. She asked what our expectations were and I said we just wanted him to thrive and if we could get to the bottom of it all and could put a name to it then we could support him, as I said above. And she agreed.. So she’s coming out in October for a home visit and will also speak to nursery. She thinks he will likely go on the very long waiting list for an autism assessment (sorry I don’t know the correct terms or name for it).

So… that what’s been going on and this is where we are at. Husband and I decided not to tell any of our family (both sides) what’s going on till we know a bit more as we just don’t want the judgement. We’d rather be in a position to say ‘our boy has this, this is how we support him, this is how you can support him when he’s at your place’.

Now the reason for my post: since nursery said he may be ASN and HV now saying it could be autism… I feel incredibly angry towards BIL and SIL. I know that all happened 2 years ago and I thought I’d gotten over it… but it makes me extremely cross when I think about what they said and how shit husband and I were made to feel… how they just brushed it all off when all along my boy may be autistic and that’s why he reacted how he did. How we were not listened to and supported in any way.

Coming up we have a family weekend away to celebrate a big family anniversary and we’ll be staying in a big barn with them there… as we don’t see them often they will likely see some of his behaviour over the 2 night stay. They may point it out. They will likely think we’re too lenient with him and not strict enough… they may just think he’s spoilt or a bad child? This is just me getting ahead of myself I know… but I can’t help thinking about it ansd expecting the worst. They always just tell us 'how it is' and pass judgement and I'm not really feeling prepared for that so I'm apprehensive about the whole thing.

So here is my AIBU bit…

AIBU to have all this anger towards them?

And any advice on how to let it go / deal with it better / how to be in their presence?

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typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:24

@billy1966 Thank you. I'm not dismissing what anyone else has said at all, even tho I know I'm being unreasonable it still hurts and I feel a bit ridiculous.

But your response is very helpful, thank you.

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Calmdown14 · 23/09/2022 11:25

From your sister in law's perspective, perhaps she just wants a light family catch up and for you not to offload every problem to her. The dismissive attitude might really be saying 'can we change the subject please ' in a polite way.

Of course all the little detail of this matters to you but if you communicate in the same way as your post then are you guilty of the same offence you are so angry at her for?

It comes across as 'her kids are older therefore lock down didn't affect them '. How much interest did you show in your nieces and nephews at the same age?

Do you care for their teenage woes? The answer is probably not. None of us do. It's one of the reasons we make 'mum friends '. We need people at the same stage
Once you pass toddler and nursery stage you will also only be interested in school and everything around that

I agree with the others that you've stuck your concern about your son unfairly into your sister in law who may be a bit annoying but doesn't appear to have committed any major crime.

mrsmccormick · 23/09/2022 11:26

Sorry OP, I can't see that theyve done anything wrong at all. They said flippant things that most parents say about 2 year olds.

I have autism, I can sometimes read into other peoples words and reactions things that are not there, and worry about what they might be thinking. I think that's what you've done here, you're seeing a lot of stuff that isn't there or isnt intended by them.

happy66 · 23/09/2022 11:27

I would say the best thing you can do it forgive them. They are not perfect people, they did not know your child had Autism, they may not understand you very well as you have said you may have a type of autism yourself, they have their own issues and character flaws as we all do.

Forgive them. You will find it a release.

Belladonnamama · 23/09/2022 11:35

Your child's behaviour or suspected Autism is not your SIL or BIL problem. They have children and a life of their own. Maybe they are sick of listening to you. Deal with your child yourself. You sound overly sensitive and attention seeking.

saraclara · 23/09/2022 11:37

They aren't close to your DS and didn't witness his behaviour first hand. Thing like "oh it's the terrible twos!" are just platitudes, not judgments or dismissals.

This. You're massively overreacting to two people who aren't that interested and so just gave out platitudes. And it was TWO YEARS AGO. So yes, this resurfacing of anger is nothing to do with their behaviour and everything to do with your own stress.

I'm not sure why you continue to share negative or difficult things with them (like your driving issues in a follow up post) and expect them to get really involved. You hardly ever see them, you don't have a relationship to speak of and you're not involved in each other's lives. Just keep it light at this event, and work on letting go of what was a very normal response to you talking about your sons behaviour that they hadn't witnessed. There is absolutely no reason for you to mention your son's issues again at what is to be a celebratory event for someone.

Undergreen · 23/09/2022 11:38

You are massively misplacing your anger and emotions at BIL and SIL.

They have older children, frankly they probably weren’t interested when you told them about XYZ to do with your baby. “Oh it’s just normal”, “oh it’s just terrible twos” are completely normal platitudes which people trot out when someone is talking about their difficult toddler. Toddlers are difficult. 95% of the time it is “just” that.

The fact that you’ve recently learned that your child might be ASD and now you’re mad at them again in hindsight for not saying something more useful and sympathetic at the time is absurd.

Also give is 7-10 years and if someone random family member you aren’t close to starts talking to you about their difficult baby/toddler, see if you have anything earth-shattering to say about it. You’ll probably say “oh dear, I’m sure its just a phase” too.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 23/09/2022 11:42

Mollymoofer · 23/09/2022 10:44

You’ve got a lot on your plate, OP, and it sounds as though you’re doing a great job for your DS. I do think you’re being a bit unreasonable as regards your ILs though. They’re not experts and might have been trying to just reassure you in the best way they knew how. Maybe they felt a bit out of their depth.

Anyway, we always meet people who don’t ‘get’ us and we need to recognise their limitations. Are you sure you’re not projecting the upset you feel for your son onto them?

You and your DH sound like lovely supportive parents. I hope the road gets easier.

This.

Not sure what you expected them to do, other than to say, as I probably would have, a comforting "I'm sure it's just a phase, they all have their moments" because what could they say? They didn't know what his real issues were because they hadn't been diagnosed at that stage. I don't know how the comments were delivered but they sound reassuring written down.
As his parents, you have monitored his issues and got help. I think you were both right to keep it all under your hat until you know what you are dealing with and how to deal with it.
They are probably not the best equipped to be your support system, because really only you and your OH are involved enough to know what he needs and what professionals have advised..
So at the moment I would lower your expectations of them and have very neutral conversations. Don't apologise for behaviour or discuss it if you don't like the comments you get back. Often people don't know what to say and are fearful of saying too much. This might come across as a don't care, stepping back attitude but actually, they are trying not to interfere. That is their way of acknowledging that you are his parents and that it is your arena.
The whole staying in a barn for two days thing, doesn't sound like a good idea if you feel you will be in a goldfish bowl and are already worrying. Finding the best way to keep him calm in difficult situations may take some time to perfect, but I think given how you feel about the ILs you will have to work things around your son as unobtrusively as possible so that it doesn't raise questions. I know this might be annoying but really this is a first situation and you are feeling your way in handling it.
Could you stay at a nearby B and B and keep your group times short if need be. So that you have a bolt hole. Be prepared for one parent to quietly take him out of a situation, even if its just in the garden. Take it in turns and work out in advance how you will play it in as low key a way as possible.
Don't ask permission just organise things in a way that will make the weekend work easier for you. If you have to remove him because he is distressed. Do it cheerfully Basically you can do what you like whatever works for you.
Do you have a relative you can trust that you can confide in who might back you up/change the subject etc. or even watch him for a bit in the evening?

Finally. try not to worry. There are lots of ways you can make it easier on yourself and at the end of the day, these are family, people who love you and care about you so try not to get too upset in advance.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:42

My boy is brilliant and I am not worried at all about how he will behave when we are away, we were away recently with PIL for a week and he loved every minute of it and was well behaved. He is who he is and if he's got autism then that's ok – I'm good with it. The call with the health visitor when she said 'autism' wasn't even scary. It was more of a relief. I wasn't upset. I'm not too worried about his future. He has friends, he's clever… I have since let nursery know what's happening and they're on board.

This weekend away… we were already booked to go away for my birthday and it was me who suggested that we re-arrange that … so my birthday weekend is now this big family thing… I want to be there. I don't hate them. I see it's misplaced anger. I want to be prepared for any questions that arise due to behaviour while away. I wan't to be able to be more in control of it. I want to be able to say something like 'yes we're aware and we're dealing with it' etc…

Thanks to all who've kindly suggested how to deal with this.

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saraclara · 23/09/2022 11:43

It's interesting that the only poster that you've thanked is the one who's slagged off your SIL and BIL and suggested that you don't go to the event. Which gives me the impression that you aren't really listening.

Of course you should go to the event. And if you don't bring up the subject, or any other negative ones, then you won't need the responses the pp suggested. Focus on the other guests, keep conversation light, and have a good time.

saraclara · 23/09/2022 11:44

Oops. And while I was posting, you thanked everyone. That's good. So I take that bit of my post back.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:44

Belladonnamama · 23/09/2022 11:35

Your child's behaviour or suspected Autism is not your SIL or BIL problem. They have children and a life of their own. Maybe they are sick of listening to you. Deal with your child yourself. You sound overly sensitive and attention seeking.

Thanks! That's so helpful. I'm not attention seeking at all, never have been.

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2bazookas · 23/09/2022 11:45

You live with DS day in day out and have only recently realised there may be a diagnosis for his behaviour.

How did you expect BIL and SIL occasional visitors, to reach this conclusion year ago when you did not?

Of course you are upset and anxious and maybe a bit guilty YOU didn't spot the diagnosis at age 1 ; But don't project all that onto SIL and BIL. They were innocent (and ignorant) bystanders doing the best they knew..... just like you.

You sound like a really great couple of parents and you've already seen that adults making skilled adjustments to support him and you can have a profound benefit for DS. There's a positive way forward.

His and your best future lies with recognition, acceptance and support within his and your expanding social community (school, family, neighbourhood, social, work). So the very last thing he needs is for you to narrow his opportunities by rejecting Bil and Sil. Now it's time to educate the wider family about his diagnosis (when it comes) , get them up to speed and invite them on board to help. Some people will be more of a challenge than others; so Bil and Sil can be your guinea pigs to practise on. An opportunity right on your doorstep. You'll all be learning together, you and DH are just several chapters ahead of his brother.

You're over the first hurdle and doing great. I wish you all the best.

Bananarama21 · 23/09/2022 11:47

Tbh you would drive me up the wall if you kept going on about your child's behaviour all the time. Some of which may have be typical behaviour for a child that age. They have teenagers they aren't particular interested in your child's tantrums. I have a difficult child he would rip the carpet up, smother faeces everywhere it was hideous, meltdowns etc but I just go on with it, accessed the appropriate services and he's currently on the waiting list and seen a child physiologist.

Your not particularly close so it's odd you would share such details. I didn't even share details with my friends about ds. Now you've taken great offence to this, why?

Pixiedust1234 · 23/09/2022 11:47

The way you worded your first post makes you come across as very insecure and they were trying to be reassuring, not dismissive, ie most parents go through it, hang in there! If professionals can't diagnose that young then how the hell can the average person?

You expect too much from others and when your expectations aren't met you get angry. Thats for you to deal with, or professionals, not anyone else. Carry on with the counselling as it sounds you really need it.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:49

saraclara · 23/09/2022 11:43

It's interesting that the only poster that you've thanked is the one who's slagged off your SIL and BIL and suggested that you don't go to the event. Which gives me the impression that you aren't really listening.

Of course you should go to the event. And if you don't bring up the subject, or any other negative ones, then you won't need the responses the pp suggested. Focus on the other guests, keep conversation light, and have a good time.

I thanked that poster for the useful way in how I might deal with the situation at the time. Previous posts pointed out the ridiculousness of the situation, which I agree with.

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silverclock222 · 23/09/2022 11:50

They simply didn't want to be a sounding board for you and that's fine, they have their own family and lives to take care of. You need to seek your support elsewhere.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:51

2bazookas · 23/09/2022 11:45

You live with DS day in day out and have only recently realised there may be a diagnosis for his behaviour.

How did you expect BIL and SIL occasional visitors, to reach this conclusion year ago when you did not?

Of course you are upset and anxious and maybe a bit guilty YOU didn't spot the diagnosis at age 1 ; But don't project all that onto SIL and BIL. They were innocent (and ignorant) bystanders doing the best they knew..... just like you.

You sound like a really great couple of parents and you've already seen that adults making skilled adjustments to support him and you can have a profound benefit for DS. There's a positive way forward.

His and your best future lies with recognition, acceptance and support within his and your expanding social community (school, family, neighbourhood, social, work). So the very last thing he needs is for you to narrow his opportunities by rejecting Bil and Sil. Now it's time to educate the wider family about his diagnosis (when it comes) , get them up to speed and invite them on board to help. Some people will be more of a challenge than others; so Bil and Sil can be your guinea pigs to practise on. An opportunity right on your doorstep. You'll all be learning together, you and DH are just several chapters ahead of his brother.

You're over the first hurdle and doing great. I wish you all the best.

I did actually think there was something off with his behaviour, and if you read my post you'll see I raised it with the health visitor summer 2020.

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Calmdown14 · 23/09/2022 11:52

OP what are the current issues in your nephew's and niece's lives?

Is that a question you can answer???

MrsPerfect12 · 23/09/2022 11:53

Negative conversations are a drain on others mental health. Off loading every time you seen them about your problems isn't appropriate. They're trying to be up beat and keep things positive.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:54

2bazookas · 23/09/2022 11:45

You live with DS day in day out and have only recently realised there may be a diagnosis for his behaviour.

How did you expect BIL and SIL occasional visitors, to reach this conclusion year ago when you did not?

Of course you are upset and anxious and maybe a bit guilty YOU didn't spot the diagnosis at age 1 ; But don't project all that onto SIL and BIL. They were innocent (and ignorant) bystanders doing the best they knew..... just like you.

You sound like a really great couple of parents and you've already seen that adults making skilled adjustments to support him and you can have a profound benefit for DS. There's a positive way forward.

His and your best future lies with recognition, acceptance and support within his and your expanding social community (school, family, neighbourhood, social, work). So the very last thing he needs is for you to narrow his opportunities by rejecting Bil and Sil. Now it's time to educate the wider family about his diagnosis (when it comes) , get them up to speed and invite them on board to help. Some people will be more of a challenge than others; so Bil and Sil can be your guinea pigs to practise on. An opportunity right on your doorstep. You'll all be learning together, you and DH are just several chapters ahead of his brother.

You're over the first hurdle and doing great. I wish you all the best.

We haven't rejected them, we still see them, we babysit for them. After all of the initial upset I tried to put it aside. I even asked SIL if we could bubble with them and she said no and gave no reason. So we felt cut off from them and I can say that it wasn't me who made that choice.

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Fundays12 · 23/09/2022 11:54

OP i mean this in the kindest way if your child has additional needs you are in for a lot of years of that judgment and behaviour from “adults”. My eldest has autism and adhd and believe me I have been judged ridiculously. His behaviour can be very challenging particularly when he is out of routine but he is generally a lovely boy. My neurotypical children are well behaved generally and thrive in nursery and school. Put your hard hat on and ignore these comments for your own and your child’s sake. Make small talk, don’t get dragged until into conversation about your child it’s not there business unless you decide to discus it. If they are putting you down just walk away. If there are comparisons just l shake your head and laugh. Just because they have easy childhood years doesn’t mean there teenager years will be easy for them as parents.

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 11:55

I’m with the overwhelming majority I’m afraid this isn’t your in-laws fault they haven’t done anything wrong. It’s normal to try to placate and downplay especially if they are not close.

your anger is misplaced. It’s not their fault.

Floweryflora · 23/09/2022 11:56

I even asked SIL if we could bubble with them and she said no and gave no reason. So we felt cut off from them and I can say that it wasn't me who made that choice.

why did you ask this if you’re not close? It’s starting to come across like you crave their attention and input and they are not engaging.

typingcake · 23/09/2022 11:57

Bananarama21 · 23/09/2022 11:47

Tbh you would drive me up the wall if you kept going on about your child's behaviour all the time. Some of which may have be typical behaviour for a child that age. They have teenagers they aren't particular interested in your child's tantrums. I have a difficult child he would rip the carpet up, smother faeces everywhere it was hideous, meltdowns etc but I just go on with it, accessed the appropriate services and he's currently on the waiting list and seen a child physiologist.

Your not particularly close so it's odd you would share such details. I didn't even share details with my friends about ds. Now you've taken great offence to this, why?

I don't go on about it all the time. We keep it to ourselves. I've put the details of it here so people can understand where we're at. Previous to lockdown we never harped on about him… and we haven't since. The only people I talk to about it is my husband and my 2 best friends.

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